I think the forum has been going downhill, and the administrators aren’t helping the situation. we’ve enforced the rules forever, and that’s what Lissa wanted. if that’s changed and people can do things just because they haven’t read the rules, then whatever, it’s her forum.

if I had something else to occupy myself, I would leave. the newer members suck, and certain people can be pretty bitchy. especially to the people that keep the forum running smoothly, which makes one of those people money. I’m not asking for a cut of her profits- I knew I wouldn’t get anything in return when I joined. I just want some respect.

I’ve probably been a total tool on the forum for ages now- if I’ve pissed any of the mods or regulars off, I’m sorry. that place has just been getting me irritated pretty easily lately.

Yup, some of you may remember my private blog a while ago about LEIA…I think people assumed I was talking about a lack of respect from the members but I was actually talking about the admins.

The thing that pushed me ‘over the edge’ was the deletion of my ‘ultimate resource sticky’ not so much because it got deleted, I could have accepted that (even though I think it was a good idea and disagree with the reasons they didn’t like it), but because it was deleted with NO REGARD for how much time and effort I had already put into it…if they had asked OUR opinion I could have argued my case or whatever, but no, just deleted with a freaking message left right there, not even the courtesy of letting me know!

More-so what’s pissing me off though is the ‘It’s not up for discussion’ attitude they both have, I hold no ill feeling towards either of them and am sure this could all be ironed out if we could all just tell them how we are feeling and have them actually pay attention…but no, it’s not up for discussion…the same sort of respect n00bs get…infact the n00bs are getting more respect at the moment.

This “it’s okay to bring up old threads” thing is really getting to me. I continued to delete lucywhateverhernameis’s posts because that’s what I’ve always done and I’m not going to change if no one tells me what I should and should not do. I’ve been fairly loyal to that place for, what, 4 years? (aside from my 6-month span of leaving, heh) And now I feel like I’m getting crapped on.

I blew up a little in the mod forum, as you’ve probably noticed. I’m not going to shut up just because Allie closes a couple threads and doesn’t want to discuss anything. Last I checked, it was up to the mods to approach the others if they feel uncomfortable or anything. But now as soon as we make a couple comments, ask some questions about what’s going on, it’s “not up for discussion.”

We don’t know Allie, and that’s part of the problem. She says she’s been around since the beginning, but what has she done? Out of nowhere she reappears and forces all these things onto us and then doesn’t let us know. Gee, if I knew it was okay to bring up old threads I would have done it myself. Y’know? Maybe I should put my website in my signature and see what they say about that. Maybe I just haven’t had a chance to read the rules. According to Allie they were, after all, changed a year ago. Apparently she thinks I haven’t reviewed them since then.

I have so. much. to say but I am rather tired now… will post tomorrow.

Right now I’m just waiting for the Lissa-Allie team to fire us. Are you expecting it? I most def. am.

IMPORTANT!!!

THIS IS AVIE.

Starlet, can you edit the names in our comments? To like, James, Benson, Christina or something else.

Because even without the password, others can see who commented in this post..

Did they close more mod threads/say it’s not up for discussion again?

I havn’t been on yet today but when I do, I think that’ll be the last straw for me – we should all stop moderating, without leaving or saying we are going to stop – see what sort of shit hole it is in a few weeks (I already noticed a slight slip just since me and then Sheila/Peter havn’t been modding!).

Does it matter Avie? How will we know who each other are? lol

I know, I’ll just disable the comment plugger for a few days, then before I put it back on and this discussion has died down I will change all of the names

I thought about not moderating. Like, I’ll hang around (I need that arcade during work, I get really bored) but I won’t do anything. Sounds like a plan to me.

Allie closed the rant thread in GP…

I thought of a strike or something, but it’d only hurt us. They probably ban us and just replace us like it’s a daily chore… right?

Sarlet–
I’m pretty sure Lissa or Allie will see this post and noticed the commenters… and realize that we are talking about them…

HAHA I don’t know why I care about THAT…

Feeling so bitter at the moment

Probably, Dan mentioned ‘What would they do if we all left, then they’d be in trouble’ but I said…actually I think they wouldn’t even care, they’d just get in new people and move on. The members might complain a little but they’d get over it and we’d be forgotten about within a month!

I’m also expecting, at the very least a ‘Well if you don’t like it you know what you can do….’ from Allie! There’s no way I want to leave the forum entirely, why should I cut off my nose to spite my face, so don’t want to be banned…but if my mod powers are taking away I want it to be done by one of those 2 so that then at least the members will know how badly we have been treated and might think twice before agreeing to become their next skivvy!

Maybe next time someone asks to be a mod we can say, “you don’t want to do that, they’re treated like crap.”

I doubt that they’d ban us, but I don’t doubt that they could demote us. Especially if we act up and talk back. Then again, then people will talk and someone will start a “what happened to [insert mod here]?” thread and I’d have no problem telling the truth. I’m sure it would get deleted, but LEIA isn’t the only place on the internet, y’know?

Leaving wouldn’t do us any good. Remember when I left last time? I got a PM from Lissa saying “oh don’t leave, we need you, I won’t take away your mod powers” (even though I had asked her to). But I’m sure everything went on w/o me.

“Don’t delete or edit the posts of administrators for any reason. Two of you deleted a post of mine repeatedly yesterday.”

LOL. rebels =p=D

who did it and what she said?

i honestly think allie knows lucylane

then in that case i don’t blame her for defending lucy… otherwise i don’t know why she is so nice to her!

she is right that she’s always there all along… so why the sudden change? since she’s always been quiet…

the forum has been like this since… forever..

I WISH I was the one that deleted her posts, haha!

Well. Her post basically says to stop doing everything I’ve [i]been[/i] doing, so I guess I’m not needed anymore.

It wasn’t me either!

I just logged on now, I’m really nervous…how lame is that? Me nervous to logon to LEIA!

Rosey quit

That’s 3 down….how many more to go?

lets go to disney too!

Good post by you there Avie, you did well…same for Rosey’s ‘leaving’ post, she said pretty much exactly how I am feeling!

I got a PM from Rosey that just said, “this sucks.” It made me want to cry. I’m through being angry about it, the entire situation just makes me sad now. Whose fault is it, really? Them for not saying anything to us, or us for not saying anything sooner? This has being going on for quite some time. I just never knew anyone else noticed/cared.

I think I just fainted from the fact that Alliie is Lissa’s MOTHER?!!!!!!

I KNOW. WTF are we supposed to say to that? Sorry your mom’s being a bitch?

in my OMG shocked state, i posted a rather diplomatic reply. but now i am really angry!! YOUR MOTHER HAS BEEN POSTING AND YOU NEVER TOLD US. THAT IS REALLY NICE.

I should feel like crap for being nasty to her now, but I don’t. Way for the guilt trip to fail!

I wouldn’t do shit either,i know i am a mod but i am just there for the arcade,although it doesn’t work for me somehow,i wonder if allie is behind that too?

ok,i wonder who’s the next one to leave:(

vwvortex.com where mods r cool

You know what irked me was when Allie (idiot of a mother) said it took me long enough to notice she was deleting the stickies. Well geez I’m sorry I’m not on the forum 24/7. I got better things to do then moderate a forum whose admins ignore all the crap we say. What’s the point in doing all their work, because that is what we are doing….running their forum while they only pop in once in a blue freaking moon. Idiots.

I’m sorry but Lissa has become such a freaking moron….Look how she trying to make is sound so funny and cute that Allie is her mom…trying to smooth things over. I think it is too late for that.

Yeah Lissa had this “it’s okay, she’s just my mom” attitude when responding to that post. How about responding to the issues we brought up? How about responding to anything? I think the power got to her head a long time ago, and she also got so comfortable with the mods doing everything that she doesn’t even bother to check in. Yeah, we all have lives outside the forum. I’m not saying she has to be there 24/7. But she should at least stop in, check up on things, do [i]something[/i]. It’s like she doesn’t want to deal with it, but she still wants her popularity. So she puts her mom in charge and just sides with everything she does.

Like, the thing with the avatars bothered me. Forever it was “oh, I have to keep it at 500″ and everything was a bandwidth issue and now she says, “I’m bored, I’m changing it to 200.” Is bandwidth [i]not[/i] an issue anymore? I don’t understand.

ps: sorry that I keep on using vB code, haha

woo, I was right! heh

I suspected that it was her mother (I remember a while back that Lissa said her mother regularly checked the forum or something), and she recently said she’s known her for “19 years of her life”- so I said that I thought it was her mom to Viki yesterday

I think Lissa told us it was her mom just to shut us up. who wants to criticize now, knowing that it’s her mother?

why couldn’t Allie have told us anything- what was changing, why anything happened, who she was? I do (still) think that she’s acting high and mighty.

I know I’ve mentioned money a few times- I really do think it’s a factor. more threads that people have to sort through = more ads that get shown. more annoying noobs that stick around and clutter things up = more people viewing ads. I doubt that she really cares about the community- she obviously doesn’t care much about the people that voluntarily police it. and yeah, I and others have been quasi-rude to some of the new members. does she not realize that it’s only a result of the atmosphere of the forum? it’s a reflection on her leadership (or lack thereof). if she does her part to keep the mods content, we won’t be rude to the members that she adores so much.

I told Rosey to come on over here and gave her the password, hehe

Okay maybe I’m being high and mighty now, but I have another small rant about Allie. So I’m basically the only mod that knows anything in the LiveJournal forum, right? This morning I closed the “what is LiveJournal” thread because someone responded again and it’s old and I got tired of seeing it. But now, and this was somewhat recently, Allie opened it up and moved it to chat. That is NOT a chat thread! Seriously, leave my stuff alone.

It’s SO hard not to moderate, but I refuse to do it right now. Of course, that means that I can practically avoid the xanga and javascript forums… I don’t know anything there, anyway.

strange question- can any of you view profiles? I tried to, and it tells me that I don’t have permission. me being paranoid, I was wondering if the administrators are trying to screw with the mods. I logged in as pixiegrrl, and she can view them.

hopefully it’s just a bug with my account or something…

Dan, i cant view them either, i thought i was being paranoid too…lol

I’m feeling the same way as you guys. It doesn’t matter if Allie is her best friend, mother, dog.

She did come off high and mighty, I’m sorry. You are telling us we are rude for things that we have always done.

Like I said in the mod forum, she should have told us before doing that or even after undeleting and saying “i undeleted, we are changing some things and how we are going to proceed, sorry i didn’t tell you guys before.”

Now the pms from the users, yeah that’s rude..back seat mods.

Seems like they are more concerned with the feelings of one little noob than all the mods.

We’ve been doing this for years, yeah we can get snooty but I don’t see how deleting speed posters is snooty, we’ve always done it.

And I really don’t see why she couldn’t edit sheila’s post and pm her and say “i cleaned up your post since some of the links were broken, i hope you don’t mind”. Why did she have to delete and repost??

I have some catching up to do! Wish i had seen this but i was at work where the net is a no no..lol

I’m not leaving..yet..i said i might also because i haven’t been terribly active.

I deleted one of allie’s post because they were a reply to lucylane’s post. I can’t delete lucy’s without deleting allie’s. What kills me is that she brought back lucy’s posts but not people who posted after??

I have to go work on a friends computer but i’ll be back later.

wow… Lissa’s last reply in the lucylane thread is worse than not saying anything at all. it irritates me that she replied- so she knows what’s going on- and didn’t address any of the issues at all.

and she didn’t think it would be a big deal? she was hoping we wouldn’t notice and she could sweep it under the rug?

I didn’t think it was her mum for the simple fact that Marianne has met her parents and even she doesn’t know that Allie is her mum, trust issues much?

Maybe I am an easy touch but I do feel somewhat appeased, though I’m sure that will change as soon as Allie gets back from DisneyWorld and continues to be a bitch.

Wait a minute….she DID say something along the lines of ”Anyway, this sort of thing is down to the admins” in the googlemap (or another?) thread right? Now she’s saying she didn’t and I cant find it, so I’m doubting myself…either she did and has deleted it, or I imagined it!

I don’t think she said that- all I remember about it is that Allie and Lissa were both pretty rude to people, particularly sisqoluv, and indirectly to you, Viki, since you were the first to question it.

and I don’t know if Marianne would necessarily know that Allie was her mother- unless they talked about it in her visit, it’s possible that she doesn’t sound the same online as she does in person or whatever.

I did some snooping, and some of Lil Sarah’s IPs/hostnames match Allie’s and Lissa’s- it’s hard to tell what that means though, because for a while Lissa claimed to be using Allie’s user name, and Lissa used to live with Sarah and her mother. I can’t view IPs in the Chat forum (haven’t been able to in ages- I remember the IP thing disappeared after some other time when Lissa was being sneaky, I think something to do with Allie’s name), so I can’t compare Sarah’s most recent post with Allie’s. that might be more conclusive.

is it just me– but i am ANNOYED by the fact that lissa is replying with :p and =D and .. all that!

i’m too angry to properly reply now.. but just so you guys know, avie is on a strike. like, i’m just gonna hang around the forum and not do a thing

Where on earth did I get it from then? I’ve scoured the forum and can’t see anywhere else she said it (or anything I could have misconstrued as her saying it) and nada…if none of you guys remember it either, meh lol

I’m just ignoring her from now on, he latest post just proves to me she doesn’t give a rats about keeping any of us happy etc…she totally ignored EVERYTHING (including the part where I said I didn’t mean it literally anyway) we all said except for the one thing I got wrong and she could ‘get one over on me’ about!

I feel bad for the other mods who are following it (i’ve seen em looking lol) but keeping out of it, I wonder if they don’t feel the same…or they just don’t want to fight!

you can ask them in here :p

well i am getting irritated too that she is using and in replying to the posts.
I guess she isn’t listening or figure we are ALL in the wrong and we will ALL get over it.

I wonder what marianne’s take on all this is.

I can’t view ips at all, how do you guys do it?

I’m not sure allie is her mom, do you? Or does she think that if we think it’s her mom, we’ll back off? (well i read the journal and it seems like she is).

Rude is rude, no matter how old you are. We’re all trying to tell her the same thing: it’s not deleting or reposting, it’s the fact that we didn’t know what was going on.

I mean who else deleted all of lucy’s posts. I did, angela did, dan did…who else? Shoot, after the second undelete, i would have said something if i were allie.

What and now she is trying to be “helpful” on the forums. Fine. have at it. LIke i told her, have fun moderating.

lissaexplains.comin any forum you mod in (excluding Chat), above each post there’s a little computer icon (next to the rep and report ones). click that and it will show the IP address and hostname. you can also view all IPs for a user or find users based on IP address in the mod control panel- http://www.lissaexplains.com/forum/modcp

,I have no idea why that lissaexplains.com is there at the beginning- odd. sometimes I wind up with weird stuff in textareas if I start typing something in the address bar and the focus is somewhere else, but if anything I would have preceded that with a http://www., so I don’t know

and what’s with that comma? I have no idea what’s going on

lol dan. Well most of the ones i pulled up didn’t have the computer but i did see it in the french forum. Oh well. I don’t care who she is to be honest.

night night time.

I noticed the profile thing last night. I thought maybe she banned Peter and I or something.

I just love how Lissa is just ignoring what everyone is saying. She just doesn’t give a rats ass anymore. She should just change the rules to: “You can do anything you want here except swearing and advertising.”

Oh and I would love to reply to the one thread Allie closed about me saying about how Peter and I quit before. But if you all remember that is when I had a miscarriage. If those morons would stop to think, they would remember that.

…sorry for double entry.

and then they say don’t make it personal but that’s what they are doing too.

*sigh*

what’s irritating me now is that she is ignoring what we’re saying.

Starlet, she definitely said something along the lines of “leave that up to the admins” or whatever. I saw it, too, and they could have easily deleted it b/c it doesn’t show when admins edit posts. I know it was there.

They will never admit when they’re wrong. One of MB’s recent threads has already expired and Allie’s all like, “no, I set it up right,” blah blah. Yeah, she obviously didn’t.

There hasn’t been much activity in the lucylane thread and I know that means they’re sweeping it under the rug. I don’t understand what they think will happen. That we’ll forget about everything? That we’ll feel differently? That we’ll go back to being good little minions? I don’t think so.

And now she’s scapping point counts? Wow, I see this entire conversation really made a difference. I really enjoyed the discussion we had about that one before it was put into effect, didn’t you?

of cos she discussed with her, durr!

*cough*in her sleep*cough*

bwahaha i meant–

of cos she discussed with us, durr!

*cough*in her sleep*cough*

I reeeeeaaaally hope that no mods reply to that thread in the private forum. I don’t plan to.

We should all quit right now and move on,atleast Sheila and I won’t be back and we also plan of getting rid of the internet,it saves me 50 euro’s a month that i can spend on my little baby girl.

and this is the last word I say about it,i am leaving and I don’t care.

You guys who are still moderatoring should just do nothing anymore, because obviously Lissa and Allie think they can run the entire things themselves. You should just ignore all the alert emails too, because they are ignoring you guys. I guess I quit at the right time.

Hope the things I write make sense. I have caught Loretta’s cold. =\

Argh the post above….the one with Loretta’s cold….was by me.

Oh, I’m not moderating. I’m replying to some posts and playing in the arcade, but I’m not doing anything I’m “supposed” to do, whatever that is anymore.

Angela, THANK YOU, I knew it! What an absolute bitch, it’s gone from something we could maybe sort out….to ‘fuck you’ personal for me now, it’s one thing to disagree with people it’s another thing to outright LIE to them when you get caught out in something you don’t want to have to admit to/explain.

I’m furious.

I havn’t been online yet today so have seen nothing of the actions (post count is gone??) but I am definately not moderating for them any more, I havn’t been any way since the start of the month, but I might even quit now…at least that way i won’t get any further insulted and belittled by the ungrateful bitch.

Allie claims that the logs say that post has never been edited. What the hell does that prove? She could be making it all up, do we even have access to said logs? She’s full of it.

Viki, I forgot to thank you yesterday for telling allie you were pissed at her lack of concern where i was concern. *warm fuzzies to you*.

I posted guys, tell me what you think. I know some of you think the post count gone is a bad idea but it may not be.

Can anyone search their PC’s history and find that thread?
http://lissaexplains.com/forum/showthread.php?p=328841

I KNOW there was more to it and I NEED to prove her wrong.

I’ve tried searching google’s cache and the wayback machine but it won’t let me.

Ok i know this isn’t proof cos Allie would just say I was lying…but it just proves more to us that she DID say it! I remembered since that was really the first thing she did that really annoyed me so I told Gav about it, here’s a copy and paste from the chatlog!

[16:41:32] Viki: they added a googlemap to the forum for people to put where they live on it (like that frappr one I had yeah?)
[16:42:10] Viki: except the zoom level is so good (well as you know) that you can literally put your street adress in it!
[16:42:25] Gav: nuff dangerous
[16:43:19] Viki: I said I wasn’t sure how much of a good idea it was to have such a thing on a kids forum…she said that ‘well it says on the page not to list your actual address, and it’s only viewable to reg members anyway’
[16:43:45] Gav just sent you a Nudge!
[16:43:53] Viki: dont nudge me when im talking
[16:44:34] Viki: then Lissa said something along the lines of ‘God I can’t win, i’m too strict when i don’t add fun things and when I do people complain anyway!!’
[16:44:35] Gav: it’s fun though
[16:45:04] Viki: which i was going to respond to but decided against it, then a coupla other people agreed with me about it
[16:45:41] Viki: then Allie goes ‘Whats with all the complaining going on around here lately? These decisions are down to the admins anyway!’
[16:46:00] Viki: So basically, if anyone doesnt like something they added they are complaining
[16:46:39] Viki: and ‘hey starlet bust your balls working here every day for 5 years, doing all the tedious crap…but don’t dare think you can have an opinion on something!’
[16:47:49] Viki: I’m done talking now
[16:47:51] Gav: innit
[16:47:55] Gav: I’d just fuck it if I were you
[16:47:59] Gav: nuff annoying hole
[16:48:26] Viki: innit

i know everything points to her being lissa’s mom but do you guys really think she is?

if she’s making it up i’m calling the news, pronto.

going to bed now night night, talk to you guys tomorrow …. *hugs*

Well, I just wrote out a reply to that thread…but have now saved it to a notepad file, I am unsure if I should post it or not (it’s me basically quitting, making clear I won’t work under the leadership of a liar)

we can see the logs- click on Thread Tools then Edit Thread. I checked the Live Journal thread in Chat to see if it listed actions by administrators, and it does. and the googlemap thread doesn’t show anything. however, I don’t know if administrators can do things without them showing up, or edit the logs, so the fact that it doesn’t show anything isn’t conclusive.

Viki, are you sure that was something she actually said? I think some of the other things in that conversation may be exaggerated- I’m not trying to criticize you or anything, I would have been pissed too and done the same thing. I just think we need to be really careful about any accusations we make. we all know that they’ll pounce on any opportunity to attack our credibility. not that it will make any difference, they won’t listen to us either way…

I’m not sure if we should actually quit or just disappear.

I’d like to quit. not hold back, call them whatever I want.

but on the other hand, that will let them know what’s going on. they’ll know that they’re short a mod. I’d rather lurk around, give the illusion of being there, without doing anything. I want to be able to stick around and see the forum go to hell (well, enter. it’s already rapidly approaching).

sorry for the double post.

I can’t be 100% sure since it isn’t there to see anymore, but I am 99% sure and Lefty remembering it as well and my chatlog sure helps confirm it in my own head!

I might contact Sisqoluv, since she obviously took offense to Allie in that thread too she may remember it also!

I’m being obnoxious now and questioning every little thing lol

Definitely contact Ambrosia… don’t ask why, just say you were going through old threads or something and ask if she remembers the comments. And looking at your chat log, I DEFINITELY remember it now. I can’t be THAT crazy.

Also if you notice the flow of it, I said allie posted (the post that is still there) then Lissa did and then Allie did again with the ‘admin’ comment, so she has just wiped the entire post.

ok i’m supposed to be sleeping, it’s 3am here! but i can’t stop thinking.

i am terribly disappointed with lissa and the current state of leia. i admit–i am sad that despite all the hard work some of you put in, it is lissa who is “the internet superstar”, obviously i know this is the way things would go (dur, it’s leia forums… lissa’s). however, ever since the Allie and the whole uproar about her not giving a damn about us…

and to top it off, it’s freaking obvious she has been and is lying. too long to talk about, you guys know anyway.

i am SO SURE i will regret this, but i am doing it! dear lissa, i quit this shit.

It makes me feel a lot better having Marianne comment in that thread… she’s hinted at leaving as well, now, and I can’t see them letting go of her that easily. The rest of us, I feel they couldn’t care less about. But at least she’s on our side (we have to pick sides? sad).

As a side note, I am very amused that the members hate the “no post count” thing. *sniggers*

I was just scimming through the forum leaders page and who the HELL is Lydia? and why was she active at 5.30pm TODAY?

is she already getting new mods?? oh dear what a coldharted fucking bitch she is

http://lissaexplains.com/forum/showthread.php?t=48937

peter– i knew it.

I hope every mod is gonna leave noe,come on guys,you don’t want to work for free for this ditsy do you?

fuck this shit,you can find me at vwvortex.com/cars/golf/rabbit1/

that’s where i am,a place with a heart:)

Lydia is, apparently, a dummy account. Remember my post about being able to see the usergroups, and she was under miserable users? I asked why and Allie said she was just testing it out. I’ll laugh if they’re going to post under that name and pretend to be someone else.

Marianne’s leaving makes me want to cry. At the same time, I can’t wait to see their reponse.

Marianne has the password for here now, as do Sphere and Wolf~pup.

I’m gutted she quit, and you Avie…I only hope that although ‘we’ won’t be moderating any more we can still post on the forum cos I’d hate to lose touch with you all!

Also who closed Mariannes thread? The least she deserves is a ‘goodbye, thanks’ from the members, unless she did it herself I am disgusted.

i’m wondering if i should start a thread about my leaving.. hmm.

let’s start our own forum!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

yeah do it avie, peter has too and now everyone wants to know what’s going on!

I reopened Mariannes thread, I don’t give a shit…what they gonne do, fire me? lol

We should definitely start our own forum… after all, where would we all go? Let’s call it “LEIA rejects,” hahahahaha

Chris said that he has a “hunch” as to what’s going on… I PMed and asked him about it. We’ll see how much everyone else knows.

Hey guys. I haven’t really had time to post a lot the last few months, but I have been reading most of the threads. I’m sorry to hear about everyone quitting, but obviously don’t blame them. The only reason I haven’t replied to any of the threads is because I feel since I’ve hardly been modding, I don’t really have the right to complain. Anyway. I’ve always kind of assumed Allie was Lissa’s mother, either that or Allie was just a username Lissa used to do all her dirty work. I have a theory to throw up in the air here. So if Allie really is Lissa’s mother, maybe Lissa does dissagree with what Allie is doing, but can’t really say anything because she’s her mother. I can’t help but be reminded of the thread in the mod section about LEIA Idol.. Lissa said something about her mother being involved and Lissa had very little control over it. I could be making that up, I don’t know. Anyway, the forum is going to shit. I don’t think anyone is going to argue with that. I even think the members are starting to sense it. I do agree with everything you guys have said though. I think a lot of it is probably money related too. Why else would Allie care so much about people staying? Allie hasn’t participated enough to know the members and know what they want or need. I don’t give a fuck if she’s been around since the beginning. She just pops in and changes everything without asking any of us what we think of it.

Hi Karen!

Chris wouldn’t say anything b/c he didn’t want to stick his nose where it doesn’t belong, and I respect that. Good to see someone that has respect on there… maybe HE could be next in line for moderator?

I did think that, perhaps, Lissa lets Allie do whatever because of her motherly status. Seriously, who is going to go against her mother? Then again Lissa is a spoiled brat, so who knows what their relationship is like.

“I always forget that you are a mod LOL! I never see you delete posts or anything like that. Are you going to still be a member?”

biiitttcccccchhhhh.

sorry, have to vent!

I saved the threads from the mod section (sheila’s and the lucylane one) incase we do get banned/mod status taken away and we need to look back on them for any reason.

I’m suprised neither Lissa nor Allie have stepped in yet, I KNOW the last few days they have been on 24/7! The annoying thing is that the members won’t ever really get it, because Lissa or Allie will delete it all and then post a thread that says something like
‘They were being unreasonable, I only asked them to be nicer!! We are sorry they left, thanks to them – END OF DISCUSSION’

I can picture it in my head!

Well, I’m heading offline now…going to the pub in 15 minutes and I’m still in a towel from my shower lol

See you all in a few hours, I think i’m going to miss a lot of action.

To quote one of Lindsay’s posts…

“That makes sense. But hopefully the person who is making you guys feel like that will stop, or leave, or something. Hopefully when they see all these threads about mods quitting, they will realize whatever it is they need to realize.”

Would be nice, wouldn’t it?

I am writing a looooooong essay to post here hehe, but before I post that, I think you need to know that I closed my post about leaving in chat, not anyone else.

[googleguy] 4:43 am: I know, I meant a lot are leaving, I would love to be a mod tho.

I’m writing this in Notepad since I don’t want to post

until after I’ve finished reading all your posts in here,

and I’ll forget half of what went through my head over the

last 1.5 hours.
My strongest reaction right now is one of “WOW!”
Mostly because things really blew up yesterday and today.

I walked in there today, unaware of anything (other than

what had happened before I went to bed sundaynight, which

had already gotten me annoyed). Things can change really

fast…
I spent just over an hour at LEIA today, and then I left

LEIA.
I’ve never left before, and I know it will feel a little

empty at first, because I really don’t hang around

anywhere else (does any of you have any good sites to

recommend?) – but enough is enough, so I guess I have left

for good.
I am sorry because I’m gonna miss all you guys so much,

you were the main reason I stayed so long (can’t we hang

out somewhere else? Does one of you have a forum? hehe). I

am also sorry because now I won’t get to see what everyone

got for the SS project – I was a little sad because I

could not be in it this year (since I was organising this

year), and now I won’t even get to see the pics and read

the posts about all the nice things people made and bought

for other members. I will miss sharing my knowledge on

Flash too, the better I got with Flash, the more I enjoyed

helping out, but really, it’s NOT worth it any longer, not

the way things are going now.

As for Lissa, I can sort of understand her point. For one

thing, Lissa is actually a very shy person, I think

argueing makes her feel very uncomfortable, so she

prepares to always be nice and try avoid any arguments,

she is not very good with a situation like this. I was

annoyed when she closed the thread in which Sheila said

she was leaving with the ‘not open for discussion’ thing -

but – I think I’ve known her since she was twelve, and

I’ve met her in person, I think she just did not know what

else to do.
I also think that she does like us and that she is

probably VERY upset about us leaving – and I actually feel

bad for her, but Allie HAS been a bitch, and it seemed

like recently Allie was more in charge of the forum than

Lissa was – I like Lissa, I don’t like Allie, I don’t like

working for Allie, especially since I don’t get paid for

it…
Funny thing: offline, I really did like Allie (that’s not

her real name, b.t.w.). I am closer in age to her than to

Lissa, and I really got on with her, she’s quite a nice

person in real life, I have no idea why she’s taking such

an attitude online. Even if she is Lissa’s mum, if she

wants to take over the forum, by all means – but not with

me in it – me thinks Allie should start her own forum…

The relationship between Lissa and her mum, I would rate,

on a scale from 1 to 10, about 7.5 – fairly good – better

than I was with my mum when I was a teenager living at

home – but I’ve only been there for two days so what do I

know.
If it was MY mum people would be bitching too, even if SHE

had started it, even if she REALLY deserved it, I would

stick up for her too, and defend her, no matter how wrong

she was. So really, Lissa is in a difficult position. Her

mum has been looking over her shoulder for all these years

now (and recently taken over for some reason) – I think

it’s time for Lissa to take matters in her own hand, yet

at the same time she has less spare time than ever, and

whom better to trust with something like a website than

your own mother? She probably does not (or did not)

realise that her mother lacks the tact that’s needed for

this type of job. But if I had been in Lissa’s shoes, I

would be utterly unhappy right now, I have a feeling she

really does care – about us, and about her mum.

As for Allie, she may have been lurking all this time, but

I get the impression she does not give a rat’s ass about

us, or our feelings. Perhaps she feels it is time for new

mods – perhaps she’s right, there are a lot of members on

that forum, and more than half of them would be very

honoured to be asked to mod, so… Perhaps most of us HAVE

been doing this too long, most of us are not even

teenagers – I can’t speak for any of you, but for me I

really think the time has come to either just forget about

forums, or find a more mature one to hang out – if I’m

really smart I should devote my time to studying.

About that postcount thing – I was gone for TWO DAYS, it

was decided, then discussed, and then put into effect -

not that it mattered to me, I don’t even know how many

posts I made, I have NO clue how many, but I’m one of

those people who has never been very good coping with

changes, I dunno, I think the postcounts were a much

better incentive for especially the younger people to stay

and keep posting than Allie edging them on – but what do I

know…

Angela, which thread in the private forum are you talking

about? the one you hope no mods will reply to? Nevermind

anyway, I left, and I don’t plan to peek in and let Allie

and Lissa catch me lurking – they DO notice. I also think

they (or especially Allie) will read our pm’s at the

moment (not usually), which means I think they can come in

here.
I’m pretty sure they won’t be reading THIS post, because

it’s down at the long line of posts, and they will have

given up half way, because reading all these posts, for

them, I think even for Allie, will be painful. It

definitely would be for me, anyway…

I quit before coming here and reading all of this.

(Starlet did pm me the pword as soon as I posted in that

thread, but I wanted to read up on the last two days

first, and take some time to decide, and then leave or

not). So I posted about leaving before reading all of

this, but even if I had, I don’t think I would have hung

around and just given the impression I was still there

when I wasn’t – I guess that’s just not something I would

do. I still do respect Lissa, for reasons mentioned above,

and I do think she deserves to know what’s going on – from

me, that is, I’m in no way judging you for doing things

your way, it’s just not something that I feel comfortable

with, things might be different if I had lost my respect

for Lissa. I guess another reason for posting, even in

chat, about me leaving, is that this way, it is clear to

myself what I am doing, this chapter is closed for me. I

don’t think I would like to be accused by Allie of having

‘quit and then come back’ the way she spoke to Sheila -

that REALLY bugged me. Hence my public post in chat.

B.t.w., I closed that myself as I posted it.

I was going to say: Starlet, could you (please) have

another try at opening your own forum? I used to come to

yours sometimes and wish it wasn’t so quiet – I understand

why you killed it, but really, I do need a place to hang

out, I couldn’t stand not seeing you guys again, but I

just read that Avie also suggested starting our own forum

hehe. If webspace is a problem, I have 3 domains, so

perhaps I can help out, but I don’t have much time do do a

great deal otherwise.

I was going to mention the thread about LEIA idol too,

andKaren has been thinking about that too – where was

Allie then? If she was around then, why did Lissa just

tell us that her mother and sister were posting under her

name, and editing her posts etc? My memory is very

accurate. Sorry I can’t help you about what was or wasn’t

said by Allie in that other thread since I never read

that, but I know almost exactly what was said by Lissa

about her mum and sis in that thread. I wonder if perhaps

something like that is going on now as well? It is

possible that Allie is posting under Lissa’s name – if she

did it then, why not do it now?
And I guess I do believe what Lissa said back then, about

her mother posting under her name and editing her posts

and stuff – since Allie badly wanted her daughter to win

that stupid idols thing…
Also, I did not open the thread, but I noticed Sarah

posted a thread about how proud she is of her big sister

in chat – Sarah only comes in when she think she can

benefit one way or the other, at the moment perhaps her

mother told her to post something nice about Lissa?

Peter, my advise to you is: stop going to LEIA, it is only

making you upset or angry to go there at the moment -

there are better things to do in life than go to a place

that annoys you, right?

Where is Mirna, b.t.w.?

Just read Angela’s quote on Lindsay – have other mods now

announced they were leaving? WOW! Again, I don’t want them

to see me lurking, yet at the same time I like to know

what’s happening LOL.

That’s about all I needed to get off my chest at the

moment.
Don’t feel bad about me leaving, frankly, I’m not feeling

all that bad myself – I did not cry a tear, or feel close

to tears, or anything like that. The main emotion I felt

was a little anger, when I read the Lucilane thread, and

even anger so when I read the bitching thread in the

groovy people forum – or rather, Allie’s post there, that

really did it for me. And I am a little sad about you

guys, you (and Lissa) were the main reason I stayed for so

long – hey, at the end of this ‘essay’ I’m starting to

repeat myself LOL. I REALLY hope we can stay together,

away from LEIA.
Even if we can’t, as much as I will miss you guys, I am a

very lucky person because yesterday I got my steady

contract at work, for 4 days a week (which means I can go

back to studying – YAYYY!) if I was unemployed, this would

leave a MUCH bigger void in my life, and I would be far

more upset, my health has been better than most winters so

far, which has enabled me to do a lot of fun things (I

even went snowboarding yesterday!), so I am sooo not

crying myself to sleep at the moment.
I do think it will be a little odd that Lissa will receive

my X-mas card this year, while we might never speak again.

IF she does want to talk to me, then she’s welcome to, it

might be good to clear the air (depending on what we both

say I guess) – but I’m not holding my breath.
Now I’m really done writing hehe.

He’s such an idiot.

ugh, sorry for what notepad did to the format – my lenthy post looks awful with all the useless breaks!

LOL at googleguy hahahaha. If HE gets to be a mod, I think ALL the cool members will seek refuge here

where is your lenthy post ?

hit refresh, Avie, it’s the one where all the breaks got screwed up

damn, I just noticed I still had a window (with Starlet’s pm) open on LEIA all this time, so it will look like I was still lurking for a long time after I said I quit – I hate that hehe

Marianne, I was referring to the post count thread in the private forum

Hey if any of your girlies are looking for another forum, I spend an unhealthy amount of time @ Daring2Dream and the Martini Lounge. I’m all over the internet, haha

Oh and by the way, it does not show up in the log when posts are editing. I tested it out myself.

yes i saw it. omg, it’s long :O

will reply tomorrow. i really have to sleep now.. lol

starlet.. bring back your forums :p

love you guys….

(marianne– i didn’t shed a tear too)

Correction: editing your OWN posts don’t show up in the log.

for the first time in months, I’ve opened up AOL. Lissa is online, but she’s not saying anything. It’s entirely possible that she has erased me off her buddy-list long ago since I’m never online on AOL, or she doesn’t know what to say – OR you guys are right and she doesn’t give a shit – which I still don’t believe….

she is talking to me now…

mirna was on yesterday or early early today. Wonder what she thinks.

marianne,avie, peter and sheila

I honestly don’t know what i’m doing. What I want to know is this:

what does this mean?

I will definitely be taking care of administrative issues, because it got extremely out of hand when I did not.

??

And look at allie being the greeting bandwagon and replying all over…how long can she keep it up?

I was thinking last night that we could open a forum called “we can explain it better”…lol but obviously i’m not serious.

Lydia only has like 35 posts.

One thing though. IF her mother is controlling etc blah blah then why did lissa say in her PS that she reinstated her last year after a tiff? She could do it again and ban her if her mom was really pissing her off. I don’t believe that she would sit back while her mom was doing this if she really didn’t agree. She doesn’t live with her mom anymore so i don’t see what kind of hold her mom would have.

here is the chat I jsut had with her:

i b e l i s s y: I’m sorry that everything got out of hand
dutchpaint: hi
dutchpaint: I’m not mad at you, and I still respect you, in case you were wondering
i b e l i s s y: it seems like once a year i have a big blah event, and i cry, and mods leave, but i think this is beyond any problems i have had
dutchpaint: I noticed
i b e l i s s y:
dutchpaint: is Allie really Adrienne?
i b e l i s s y: yeahp
i b e l i s s y: sadly
i b e l i s s y: i think she had good intentions but then went hog wild
dutchpaint: I was wondering if it was something like that, and to what extend you were okay with this
dutchpaint: thing is, the other mods, or most of them assume you ARE okay with it
dutchpaint: and I do appreciate how difficult this must be for you
i b e l i s s y: that’s the problem, i’ve spoken to her about it and she still believes she’s correct.. so i guess i am making her just a rmoderator
i b e l i s s y: especially with my mom.. heh
i b e l i s s y: well i trusted her as an admin to, you know, delete stuff and edit people’s signatures and so forth
dutchpaint: if she was my mum, and everyone was bitching to her, even if she did deserve it, I would find it very hard not to defend her
dutchpaint: so I can really see how this must be very hard for you
i b e l i s s y: that’s the thing, in the beginning she had good intentions and I didn’t think it would be given a second thought other than maybe everyone would apologize and it would be over
i b e l i s s y: i guess thats my naivety coming out
dutchpaint: She means well, but she does not have your tact
dutchpaint: or actually, I think she means well for you, and for the forum, but not for us mods
i b e l i s s y: i think in the beginning she did, and then she was like screw it if they don’t like it
dutchpaint: (‘us mods’ – I’m no longer part of that ‘us’ I suppose)
i b e l i s s y: and that’s when i drew the line
dutchpaint: yes, that was definitely the way we feel she thinks about us
i b e l i s s y: but i guess the line wasn’t bold
dutchpaint: are you okay? this must be really stressful for you
i b e l i s s y: nah, my mom kinda ruined my vacation through this, lol
i b e l i s s y: i guess i will be alright, it is only the internet
i b e l i s s y: but its been a big part of me for a while
i b e l i s s y: so i can’t help but be affected in some large way
dutchpaint: I know
dutchpaint: I remember, years ago (memory like an elephant) that you first had your forum, and then one time it was offline and you couldn’t fix it, and it made you cry
i b e l i s s y: XD
i b e l i s s y: gotta love 13 year olds
dutchpaint: hehehe
i b e l i s s y: i can see why all of the mods think that i agree..
i b e l i s s y: its been hard because i have rare internet access
i b e l i s s y: that’s probably why it DID get so out of hand
dutchpaint: if Adrienne is removed from her admin position, and you would want me to come back, I would consider, but not when she’s still admin, I’m sorry about that. I liked your mum a lot in real life, but I hate her on LEIA, sorry
i b e l i s s y: she’s not an admin, I posted on the private forum, she’s just a mod.
i b e l i s s y: i hate her on LEIA too
i b e l i s s y:
i b e l i s s y: its hard to remember she’s my mom, you know
dutchpaint: hehehe
dutchpaint: so do you want me to come back?
i b e l i s s y: of course!
dutchpaint: then I think I will, since really Allie was my problem, and not you or anyone else
i b e l i s s y: marianne, i think your leave was the most shocking and the most painful
i b e l i s s y: chris says hi by the way
i b e l i s s y:
dutchpaint: I did not mean to hurt your feelings – hi Chris! – that’s why I came online on AOL, so we’d have the chance to talk about it
dutchpaint: I just really could not take Adrienne’s attitude
i b e l i s s y: talking about anything on a forum is hard, lol
dutchpaint: I always liked and respected Sheila, and the way Adrienne treated her really really bothered me
i b e l i s s y: I know what you mean – to be honest, at first I did completely agree with her, but I think it was harder coming from her
i b e l i s s y: and if I had said something, it wouldn’t have been so matter-of-fact
dutchpaint: then you closing that thread bothered me, and then her attitude with Rosie bothered me even more etc.
dutchpaint: I know, you have more tact
i b e l i s s y: i didn’t think it was going to be a big deal
dutchpaint: plus you hate arguments, so you always try to avoid them
i b e l i s s y: or else i would have kept it open for discussion
dutchpaint: yes, I realise it was a judgement call
dutchpaint: one thing though: that thread where it was or wasn’t said that it was up to the admins’ to decide or something like that
i b e l i s s y: i still do think sheila overreacted a little
i b e l i s s y: yeah i know what you mean
dutchpaint: yes, she did, but we all do at times
dutchpaint: can I ask: was anything like that ever said?
dutchpaint: (I never read that thread)
i b e l i s s y: anything like what?
i b e l i s s y: like let the admins decide?
dutchpaint: yes
i b e l i s s y: i don’t remember
dutchpaint: because to the mods involved it is a BIG deal
i b e l i s s y: hmm, ill look
dutchpaint: they are quite convinced, and I think if that part is not sorted out, a couple more mods will go
i b e l i s s y: I think that she just thinks that I haven’t been adamant enough in trying to remind everyone to be nice
i b e l i s s y: so she took it upon herself to implement things that she thought would help, but took it too far obviously
dutchpaint: yeah, it seemed to us as if she was really taking over
i b e l i s s y: and i think she was offended when starlet said something in the googlemap thread, along with other people, I think they told me I should remove it because kids might get stalked or something to that effect
dutchpaint: I always liked helping you out, on your forum, but I did not want to be part of her forum, and it really started to feel as if it was her forum
dutchpaint: she did take quite an attitude with us
i b e l i s s y: that’s what i tried to tell her a few days ago
i b e l i s s y: i think if she had apologized for her attitude a lot of this could have been avoided as well
i b e l i s s y: but she thinks that she was perfectly neutral, which makes it VERY hard for me to tell her that she was not
dutchpaint: the mods may not always agree on everything, but we do care about one another, so when Sheila left and she acted like the way she did, I think most of us felt they’d had enough
dutchpaint: if she was not your mother this would all be so much less complicated I guess
i b e l i s s y: for me, yes
dutchpaint: for her too, it’s not so easy to admit to your kids that you were wrong
i b e l i s s y: ehh it seems like every time she gets involved in the forum my mother and i stop talking for months
i b e l i s s y: because we have such a huge fight
dutchpaint: so is there any way you could find out if antying was ever said in that google thread like ‘this sort of thing is down to the admins’?
dutchpaint: I think, since it is YOUR forum, she should step down completely, since she’s not helping you, even though she means to
dutchpaint: but I guess that’s really between you and her
i b e l i s s y: yeah that makes it difficulty
i b e l i s s y: err, difficult
dutchpaint: the google thread thing, and Adrienne denying saying anything like that, really is a big issue
i b e l i s s y: hmm, i’m trying to find any post where she said that
dutchpaint: thanks, I think it would really help if this can be sorted out
i b e l i s s y: to be honest, I can’t find it, though I think there was a link in the private forum, I never clicked on it
dutchpaint: Do I have your permission to share this conversation with the other mods? I think it would make a lot of difference to some of them
i b e l i s s y: I’d prefer not a direct transcript
i b e l i s s y: I guess it is different talking to you because I’ve met you, lol
dutchpaint: hehe not even if I edit out your mum’s real name?
i b e l i s s y: oh no thats not the big deal! lol
dutchpaint: or anything else that you specifically don’t want them to read?
i b e l i s s y: its just, she is my mother, i have to live with her until i die
i b e l i s s y: or it would be nice if they wouldn’t discuss it in the private forum
i b e l i s s y: or something
dutchpaint: yes, I do realise that – and I would hate to be in your shoes right now – but the thing is, emotions were running pretty high today, and I think it would help if they read this
i b e l i s s y: i just don’t want my mother to hate me for it
i b e l i s s y: i’d really prefer not to discuss it on the forum, but if it would help to read it
dutchpaint: I was not going to share it on the forum
i b e l i s s y: ok
dutchpaint: we are discussing it away from LEIA
i b e l i s s y: okay
dutchpaint: thanks
i b e l i s s y: i dont want to gang up on her either, i mean i did make her just a mod
i b e l i s s y: so i think she gets that i think she did something wrong
dutchpaint: well, if she stops with the attitude thing, there will be no need to gang up I reckon
i b e l i s s y: i just need to talk to her, i think it will be fine, its just i guess she wanted to implement any changes she had in mind a little too fast
i b e l i s s y: we did talk about how some people are just mean, but i had never established any “guidelines” with the mods before she started deleting and closing and opening and so forth
dutchpaint: the changes were one thing that weren’t overly appreciated, but the attitude made it 100 times worse, and since we didn’t know who she was, I dunno, she did basically everything wrong
i b e l i s s y: yeah, i know
dutchpaint: you could have knocked me over with a feather when I read it was Adrienne…
dutchpaint: I DO like her in real life
dutchpaint: it did definitely help me appreciate your position though, so I am pretty glad you finally did tell us
i b e l i s s y: i just don’t appreciate either that this whole disagreement is becoming public – i think that having a goodbye thread is perfectly fine, obviously you’ve been here forever, people will want to know if you’re leaving
i b e l i s s y: but out of nowhere in the chat thread
i b e l i s s y: “There’s a good chance all of these threads will be closed and ignored.”
i b e l i s s y: Wolf~pup
dutchpaint: sorry if that offended you – I did close the thread after posting it because I wanted to avoid too much debate – but I felt I had to say something
i b e l i s s y: no i understand! i wouldn’t have closed it
dutchpaint: but I should probably have calmed down a little first
dutchpaint: the thing was, the other mods did not know I closed it
dutchpaint: and it was only after an hour that I realised they were upset about that too, thinking Allie or you had closed it
i b e l i s s y: we didnt X(
dutchpaint: with the current state everyone is in, things get misunderstood easily
i b e l i s s y: yeah i see that
dutchpaint: no, I know, I told them as soon as I realised the confusion
i b e l i s s y: hehe
dutchpaint: what about the things we are supposed to do – I know I only mod the flash forum so for me it has always been fairly easy, but Adrienne has been telling them that rules have changed quite a bit – now nobody knows where they stand…
i b e l i s s y: they havent actually changed much to be honest
i b e l i s s y: just things so that newer younger members arent intimidated
dutchpaint: so about this new young speedposter person that your mother seems to like so much – are her posts supposed to be deleted or not?
i b e l i s s y: ive had trouble staying out of the private forum
i b e l i s s y: do you mean lucylane?
dutchpaint: yes
dutchpaint: (but there will always be Lucylanes)
i b e l i s s y: of course
dutchpaint: because if speedposting like that, and bringing up every thread that is not closed in the chat forum, is supposed to be encouraged rather than deleted, that is quite a big change for the mods
i b e l i s s y: i guess its in its testing phase
i b e l i s s y: lol
i b e l i s s y: a private message to the person is probably the first and best way to tell them to cool it
i b e l i s s y: i think things like this
i b e l i s s y: http://www.lissaexplains.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40913&page=2
dutchpaint: I can live with that, if they are told to cool it – but I hate to see the entire first page of chat filled with one noob’s name who has answered every interview-type question she could find – that’s just my two cent’s worth
i b e l i s s y: should be alright, because she actually says something of substance
i b e l i s s y: “I live in Niagara Falls, Ontario. I’ve been on the Maid of the Mist a few times. It’s great. Ripley’s Believe It Or Not Museum is good too. I was disappointed that I couldn’t see the pictures. It would have been great to see them.

There’s a butterfly museum in Niagara Falls now and a lot of people like to go to the horticulture building to see all the beautiful flowers.”
i b e l i s s y: but this, “2nd hand stores” http://www.lissaexplains.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44509
i b e l i s s y: that’s PM-worthy of course
i b e l i s s y: I know what you mean, hence testing phase, hehe.. see how effective pms actually are
dutchpaint: I never opened any of them before – too busy – but to see an entire page filled with one name always annoys me a little – and makes me not want to read any
i b e l i s s y: if they stop.. and if they don’t, then a more drastic approach ie closing the thread
i b e l i s s y: i know what you mean
dutchpaint: I think I will come back – but if Adrienne ever throws this in my face like she did with Sheila ‘you’ve left and come back’ – then I will be out of there for good
dutchpaint: perhaps I should sleep on this for a few days – it’s 11 pm here, my judgement is not at it’s peak anyway hehe – but I really appreciate that you started this conversation with me, and like I said, I was never mad at you.
i b e l i s s y: i really appreciate everything you’ve done
i b e l i s s y: for me and everyone else on the forum
i b e l i s s y: get some sleep
dutchpaint: yeah, I really should
dutchpaint: so it is okay with you if I share this with the other mods? (NOT on the forum)
i b e l i s s y: yeah, id rather they not discuss it on the forum either
i b e l i s s y: but yeah they can see it
dutchpaint: would you discuss it on AOL or MSN with them, like with me? I think that could really clear the air
i b e l i s s y: if theyd like
i b e l i s s y: its always hard like that, i have so many questions to answer
i b e l i s s y: lol, but sure
dutchpaint: I don’t know if they would or wouldn’t
dutchpaint: I hope they will
i b e l i s s y: if they would its fine
dutchpaint: ok
dutchpaint: I’m going to bed now – have to get up early, thanks again for this chat
i b e l i s s y: goodnight
dutchpaint: you too – I mean good day
i b e l i s s y: hehe
i b e l i s s y: thanks

Marianne- please keep us informed of what kind of things Lissa tells you off the forum. I’m considering contacting her privately (and not through a PM, just in case her mother does use her account) to see what she has to say about the whole situation. if her mom is running the show, hopefully she’ll say that or at least give a good indication- but if she still sounds like she doesn’t care about us, then I’m quitting.

is it possible that if their relationship was already a little strained that she was also forced to let her mother come back? Marianne, does that seem like something her mother might do? (although since you said she was nicer in person than online, maybe she would do it anyway, who knows).

if I leave- and I’m not sure yet- I will be upset. not because of Lissa or Allie, but because I’ll miss the environment we used to have there, with all you guys and the other regulars. I also don’t want it to end this way. I want to be able to say proudly that I was a mod there, which I don’t want to do with things as they are. unfortunately it seems that things have gone too far for that now, so I don’t know what I’m going to do. like I said, I may contact Lissa privately to see what she has to say, or I may just get so fed up that I leave anyway. we’ll see.

p.s. that is a direct transcript – since she did not specifically ask me to edit out Adrienne’s name, I did not bother. I believe her (but I still hate Allie).

Just read your post, Dan, I think the transcript answers your questions? She really is shy (far more so than I ever expected, offline), and I guess it was easier for her to talk to me about it because she has known me for so long and even met me in person – but she is defintely prepared to talk to you guys about this, just not on the forum where her mum can read everything. I think it would be good if she gets the chance to explain things to you too, since she cannot talk on her own forum.
It must be hell, having a mum like that – online of course, offline Adrienne alias Allie is really okay.

yeah, I posted that before seeing what you had posted

sorry for posting yet again… I have a tendency to post when things come to mind, rather than letting thoughts collect then posting everything at once

I just wanted to say that I’m so glad this hasn’t broken us up. it’s a shame that we may be going separate ways, at least some of us, because we all feel like we got screwed by one person in particular. but at least she or anyone else didn’t say or do anything to make us turn against each other (what she could do, I don’t know, but it’s possible). whatever happens to the group of us or LEIA, I want to remain in contact with all of you some way or another- you guys are like family. you are the family I go to when I’m bored with my real one

I don’t think i’m going back.
Whether Allie is an Admin, mod or just a regular member I am not comfortable with her presense on the forum. Besides, to be honest…how do we know she is now ‘only a mod’ – Lissa said herself in the first thread that ‘well I’ll just do the stuff under my name now then you won’t know it’s her’ – I can’t imagine that she isn’t still pulling the strings and even…6 months from now…if an admin desision is made i’ll be wondering if it was really Allies call…and I won’t even know if Lissa’s posts are her own.

I’m almost certainly done as a mod.

i just read all this and going to leia to read what’s up now. I too am not comfortable with allie’s presence. What? DId she feel compelled to help now after 5 years? I can understand why she wanted to check things out back in the day when lissa was young but lissa is 19 now, what the heck?

You know she’ll never apologize.

Starlet:

“I certianly no longer want to be here under Allie’s administration”

LOL that made me thing of a dictatorship or something

I know she won’t apologize, and that’s the part that makes me weary about staying. She’ll probably sneak back into the shadows and come out again in 6 months, who knows. Based upon Lissa’s thread in the mod forum, it doesn’t look like she’s trying to fix things. Then again, it’s come too far that things can’t be fixed. And I’m sitting on the fence; one moment I never want to go back and the next I just want my mod title removed and the next I figure I’ll keep it up and things will get better. I can’t make a final decision yet.

the part that has me the most concerned is the Lydia account. how do we know that won’t be Lissa’s mother? there are definately still trust issues. we knew ages ago that Lissa used Allie’s name (or claimed to, maybe it was her mother the whole time?), but it was never an issue until now. now, when we need to, we can’t know who’s really who.

because it’s not entirely Lissa’s fault (although she could have stepped in sooner), I would feel kind of bad leaving. I also don’t think it’s entirely fair to the members, who will have to sort through all sorts of crap if there aren’t enough people there to keep it tidy. of course, she’ll surely replace people eventually, but with who? I know I probably shouldn’t really care at that point, but we’d be leaving a bunch of good people behind there. of course, some may leave also, but still…

I think I’ll try to stay away for a couple days, see how things look later, and go from there.

I’m in the same spot angela.

Although from the conversation with marianne, it looks like lissa isn’t too thrilled but the thing is, i know it’s her mom but she is 19 now and I think that there is a point where she can step up. Like i said before, apparently she had before and demotted her (maybe that was why allie posted under lissa’s nick?)

I wrote up this thing about the situation, which i have no problem sending to the regulars:
http://www.quasigeek.net/what.html

Let me know if anything should be added/changed.

Looks good, the only thing I’d change is where you say ‘The issue isn’t about stickies or blah blah’ also add it’s about being lied to…although I think me and you are the ones that is affecting the most as we are the two who know for sure she did say that and then delete it so maybe it’s not as important to the story as I feel it is.

Also I tihnk somewhere it would be worth noting the complete lack of concern/disregard at Sheila leaving and Rosey saying she was about to.

Good call. Edited

you know what pisses me off. She probably thinks because she is a “grown up” that she can decide. The moderators are mostly over 18 and we are all adults and she was treating us like 13 year olds.

I can’t believe people think we would get this upset over just the post count.

the thing is, should we give this to people? Really, lissa should be the one to address and let the forum know what’s going down.

WIll she? I dunno.

I think if you share angela’s page, you haev to make sure the people won’t blab.

Watcha think?

I almost feel bad for Lissa. I know if I was in her place it would be really hard to “demote” my mother. On the other hand she should be able to take control of her own forum. Either way, i totally agree with the lack of trust issue. I don’t think I could ever trust that what’s being done by Lissa is actually Lissa. I’m also not sure about telling people about what happened. Not quite yet anyway. But I guess the regulars deserve to know though. I’m really on the fence about just about everything tonight.

I think people should know. I don’t want them to think that we’re leaving because we don’t like the thing about the post count. I wish we knew what everyone was thinking, because a bunch of people said they have some idea- I don’t think the real underlying issues have come across on the forum. I also think that everyone has a right to know what goes on behind the scenes, how one of the forum’s (former?) admins was/is treating people. I don’t want to say a whole lot, because I feel it’s up to Lissa to say what she feels the members are entitled to know, because it’s her forum. I respect that, and I don’t want to go around her and paint the whole big ugly picture publicly on her forum, because I still have enough respect for her not to do something like that.

but I don’t think Lissa will say much, if anything, about it. Marianne is probably the best judge of her personality, since she has met her in person, and it sounds as though she’ll want to avoid it entirely.

if anything, I think we could inform some of the more regular members that we can trust more. if not in the Groovy People forum, then maybe particular people, like sal. I think at least some people should have a better understanding of what’s going on, and maybe they can spread the idea to others without everyone knowing the whole thing.

I’d like to say leave it up to Lissa, but I think that Lissa just wants to ignore this whole thing until it goes away. I think most people think its about the post count thing. I was talking to SouthernAngel in chat and she admitted that she had no idea. Then she asked if the whole thing was about the post count and how we didn’t know about it. I think that’s most likely what the majority of the members think.

Add Karen to the ‘undecided’ list.

At the moment (tired, emotional and about to go try get some sleep) i’m certain I am quitting. I can’t be there if Allie is. But I am going to sleep on it before I officially announce anything.

I do feel terribly bad for Lissa, I know some of you have some negative feelings about her and the way things were being run even before Allie…but not me…I’d have done anything for her and that forum.

Also for the record, I asked Ambrosia if she remembered the comment and although she vaugely remembered the bit about ‘whats with all the complaining’ she wasn’t sure enough really. She certainly was offended and nearly left over that thread though and instantly knew that the issue was obviously with Allie’s admin ‘style’.

Ok night night guys, i’m shattered (i’m so tired I even just got jealous cos my boyfriend went for a meal in a pub with his best mate/boss this afternoon…he never takes me anywhere nice!!)

is it just me overreacting, or is it bothersome that Allie has posted 2 private entries on her journal? if she’s not sharing them with the moderators (which isn’t surprising), who can see them? is she talking about what’s going on?

if she’s just communicating with Lissa, why not use PM/phone/e-mail/whatever else?

Her entry from yesterday about Disneyworld annoyed me, saying Lissa was having a great vacation and all smiles and everything….erm no….YOU ruined her holiday. Nice you were having fun while your daughters forum was falling apart because of you!

That is a little strange.. She could be testing things out though. Earlier today I could have sworn she only had one… She has always kind of given me the creeps for some reason. I feel bad for Lissa too (I think I’ve said it at least 5 times today lol) I know it sounds easy enough for her to just tell “Allie” to fuck off since it is Lissa’s forum, and Lissa is an adult. But I know I wouldn’t have the heart to tell my mother to leave me alone when she really just thought she was helping her daughter. And I think it’s sad that stuff that happens on the forum affects her offline life too. AND Allie reads all of Lissa’s posts.. I’d be terrified to write anything.

And who exactly is Lydia? Did I miss something?

Ahh who’s veiwing Allie’s journal as pixie? It freaked me out lol.

heh, that was me being paranoid and wondering if it was accessible to everyone other than the mods or something lol

Angela mentioned this earlier- Lydia is a dummy account, that was used to test the miserable users group, which is now listed under administrators.

Lissa should be able to tell her mom to back off- but I’m with Karen. I wouldn’t be able to do it if I were in her place. since finding out that Lissa isn’t entirely behind this and all that, I’ve been trying to put myself in Lissa’s shoes, but I just can’t. I can’t imagine having my mom do that, and having to tell her to back off.

but even if Lissa banned her mom or something, would I want to stay? I don’t know. Lissa has brought in some trust issues, and the not wanting to deal with it attitude- I really don’t blame her, but at some point, it’s her forum. she should be able to step up and take control when she needs to. but this gets back to dealing with her mom… I wonder what she would have done if Allie wasn’t her mother, just someone who was promoted from the forum to an admin position?

I doubt she would put up with it. I’m Lissa can be a bitch when she needs to be (that’s a compliment) Didn’t she ban Eddie? Not the same, I know, but kind of. It’s different though since if she banned Allie, she still has to see and talk to her all the time. That’s just weird. I remember Lydia and the miserable user thing now. That makes me feel even more uneasy. Maybe if Lissa said “This is Lydia, we can use her to do all our dirty work” and she was used kind of like pixie, I would feel a bit better about it. How long has she been a super mod? Have any of the Members noticed? I wonder if Lydia is Lissa or Allie?

that’s supposed to be “i’m sure Lissa…” not “I’m Lissa” wow.. that typo would make things a lot more interesting lol

if it were my mom, i don’t know if i could do it but the thing is, lissa said herself she had demoted her before and reinstated her last year (i think she said last year) so it’s not like this would be the first time she has had issues with her mom.

i looked at allie’s journal yesterday and she only had 1 private entry so now she has another..hmmmm.

I want to see how lissa handles this. We are all adults and we were treated like crap. Lissa even said herself to marianne that things got out of hand and she was out of line. I hope lissa posts again and apologizes for the way her mom acted. Obviously it’s not lissa’s fault. Allie got power hungry.

My mom ignores things in hopes that they will go away, it irritates me!

Wonder what they are thinking. I wonder when allie was on last, i wonder if she is on now.

I am going to work soon,little loretta is playing and i had this to say…

If any of you want to make a forum,then go ahead,i kind of miss viki’s forum,although we hardly did anything overthere,and by making a forum doesn’t mean that you have to post 20 times a day,i mean,1 time a week is fine too:)

gotta go,i these cars are breaking down again,hehe stupid volvo’s:)

ryan’s jumping on the bandwagon pisses me off so much.

what jessi too? sorry for the double post.

hello, this is supposed to be OUR problem :O

may I ask why? normally he pisses me off but for some reason this doesn’t really bother me lol- he seems to be doing it solely because other people are, but he does that sort of thing a lot, and I really do think there’s something wrong with him- beyond his control.

I think what sucks the most about this whole thing is that the entire forum seems to be falling apart. I hope Allie is satisfied, but at the same time I feel bad for Lissa and especially the other regular members. even if we can get things settled, the atmosphere is just going to be so different. I’m also having trouble walking away because I’ve been there for so long, I just go there out of habit. I signed up when I was a freshman in high school. when everything else changes, it’s always been there. I feel like if I leave, I won’t have anywhere else to go. what do I do then?

yeah that… he’s always doing what people are doing… lol.

this whole thing has turned me into a total bitch. i can’t stand this.. can’t stand that.

googleguy and lindsay stepping out of to proclaim their “i want to be mod”-ness. things like that = hello, !@#$%^&*

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I kind of liked Lindsay’s response to the other members leaving “Everybody ditch LEIA because the mods are. I for one am not going anywhere. I don’t even know why the mods are all leaving but at least they know why. Why are the rest of the members going to leave when they don’t even know exactly what’s going on?!?1/!”

Maybe how I reacted about the stickies was too much, but I guess that was the thing that just pushed me over the edge.

I was just sick and tired of moderating and nothing getting done about the “bad things”. Lissa would be gone for long periods of time, and Allie was never there (until recently) to do anything about it.

I’m not angry at Lissa, but I’m upset with her cause she didn’t do anything about it. Nor did she stand up for me like you guys did. God how many years have I been modding there and no respect at all. (Remember we had quit before due to my miscarriage.) If Allie or Lissa would have posted that they were going to remove our stickies, I would have understood. But they just did it (shall I say) behind our backs.

I would have been just as angry, Shelia. One of the stickies in the myspace forum is gone, probably because tokyo bleu wrote it. I was the one who closed & sticked it, but I guess that’s not good enough for dear ol’ Allie.

I wasn’t planning on posting that link to the forum itself… I’d feel wrong about it, even after all this. You probably noticed that I didn’t even use Allie’s name in it. Jazz & Makar are on my LJ friends list, and I was considering posting it there first (as a friends-only entry) and explain that “Admin” does not equal Lissa. heh. I could also say that if they want to show it to other regulars, we have no problems with it. As long as we don’t have a problem with it.

I thought about the whole thing last night, and I’m leaning more toward leaving. Like I said @ the forum, I’ll stay for SS because I have an obligation to at least finish my duty. That’ll give me time to see if anything resolves. I would consider staying if Allie apologizes, but I don’t see that happening.

ps: pb&j has stepped down from moderator.

As soon as I have access to edit that page I’ll put in the updates. Should I PM the link to MB? Even if she’s annoying she’s at least loyal, and actually appears as if she wants to know what’s happening.

Direct quote from Allie’s LEIA journal…

“…Got demoted from admin because of a bunch of power hungry moderators run amok”

WHAT. THE. FUCK.

If that’s what she thinks this is all about, it’s not even worth explaining.

If that is what she said I’m definately leaving! I was kinda hoping for an apology…from her…or even Lissa (though really it shouldn’t have been coming from her!) – and THAT’S what we get!

I’m shocked pb&j stood down, that will be a great loss…he’s definately an excellent mod, helpful, diplomatic, patience of a saint!

I’m a commeting fiend this morning! heh

I’ve un/officially left… I asked to be demoted and announced that after SS, I’m leaving for good. Part of me is sad, but another feels this huge weight off my shoulders. I guess the whole forum is part of my past that’s been waiting to be left behind.

Soooo which forum shall we revive… Sway or QG?

WHAT. I thought you guys will not leave once knowing she got booted out of admin camp. now i am having second thoughts about staying grr

either sway or qg is GREAT. way better GREAT.

the happy face is supposed to be

She may not be an admin, but she’s still there. And knowing she’s surfing the forum and completely ignoring that anything is wrong pisses me off.

Yeah I can’t trust that just because she SAYS she has been demoted she actually has, she could still have admin powers but even if she doesn’t she could still be the one telling Lissa what to do.

Who liked my speech? I like how ALREADY I have been demoted, talk about fast…and not so much as a thank you from Lissa.

ok i feel like an idiot for telling her i want to stay. I WANT TO LEAVE! guys help me out, what should i say… i look like a real idiot out there…

WHO THE FUCK IS smiles2 !!!

Starlet your PM box is full, so here’s my response

“wait so are you leaving completely or just stepping down??

And now Lissa’s reply irritates me. Seriously, I am sorry that I have to leave. Does she think I made all that up? Whatever… I’m gone in 2 days anyway.”

I would have at least liked a “thank you” as well. Instead we get a “if you want to quit, quit.” Fine. The next couple days will be a lot of fun. *rolls eyes*

WAIT A MINUTE!

“4 days of misunderstanding is enough to make you leave.”

MISUNDERSTANDING? This is a misunderstanding? No WONDER there’s no communication in that damn place.

Am I the only one really offended by the post count thread, the most recent replys…like you said ‘out with the old in with the new’ and again Lissa is going along with it!

I wish I hadnt been as nice to her now, I felt bad after her sob story but you know what…what a bitch!

oh yeah, I’m a regular member now…I don’t get a big PM box haha

Could one of you post my ‘leaving’ speech, I didn’t save it before I got demoted.

Final straw for me – Allie’s comments in her journal entry.

To Lissa, I feel terribly for leaving you, I feel terribly you were put in such an awkward position…this is not about you, I never had a single issue with you or the way this forum was run prior to the last few weeks. If you had only come to us and told us that you weren’t happy with the forum, that you thought the atmosphere was too scary for young kids and felt it was stangnant…we would have absolutely worked with you to change that.

To Allie, I can only hope that all your ‘happy happy’ journal entry and posts are in an attempt to fool us into thinking you don’t care and to Lissa you are apologetic and ashamed that you have alienated her loyal moderators and completely turned the forum she has had since she was a child on it’s head. You owe us a massive apology, but we know we won’t get it…Lissa on the other hand deserves much better!

To my fellow moderators, I love you all dearly and am gutted our happy little camp is ending. Whatever you decide to do, stay or go, I have the utmost respect for you…and if you do stay, please continue to stand up for yourselfs.

Please demote me to a regular member Lissa, thanks xxx

my mod title is gone

i cried

Here’s starlet’s departure speech:

“Final straw for me – Allie’s comments in her journal entry.

To Lissa, I feel terribly for leaving you, I feel terribly you were put in such an awkward position…this is not about you, I never had a single issue with you or the way this forum was run prior to the last few weeks. If you had only come to us and told us that you weren’t happy with the forum, that you thought the atmosphere was too scary for young kids and felt it was stangnant…we would have absolutely worked with you to change that.

To Allie, I can only hope that all your ‘happy happy’ journal entry and posts are in an attempt to fool us into thinking you don’t care and to Lissa you are apologetic and ashamed that you have alienated her loyal moderators and completely turned the forum she has had since she was a child on it’s head. You owe us a massive apology, but we know we won’t get it…Lissa on the other hand deserves much better!

To my fellow moderators, I love you all dearly and am gutted our happy little camp is ending. Whatever you decide to do, stay or go, I have the utmost respect for you…and if you do stay, please continue to stand up for yourselfs.

Please demote me to a regular member Lissa, thanks xxx”

Funny how I still have my title. WTF?

I’m really pissed off now. I’m this close to writing a blog entry to let everyone know exactly what went on!!

Might as well post my departure as well, before I get the boot:

“I’ve come to my decision. I will be leaving, once Secret Santa is over.

Lissa, I have no problem with you. At all. I know you try your hardest and I do hope that this doesn’t effect our relationship, even though we don’t talk often outside the forum. But I cannot remain in a place in which I am not respected, after all the work I have done.

I request that you remove my moderator status prior to Friday, because once the SS exchange is over I am leaving.

I’m sorry it had to end this way. I wish you luck.”

please do.

Feel free to post the link @ QG. In fact, I may post it on my main page as well.

what link?

I’m almost positive that Lil Sarah just kicked me out of chat.. but I’m going to take her word for it that she didn’t..

I just blogged, I probably sound really bitter…and that’s because I am. I was calm when I quit but the fact I didn’t even get a thank you from Lissa and her and Allie (and now Sarah and Chris) are going round the forum like nothing happened, telling people to get over it has totally made me furious.

let them. those fuckers.

how did things change so fast:(

Avie: I wrote out what happened, and it’s being posted to QG once I get the chance:
http://www.quasigeek.net/what.html

Starlet I figured I’d just piggyback your “leaving” thread… don’t want to clutter the forum with yet another one, y’know?

Besides, I always felt I was the not-as-cool version of you, anyway. Might as well go out together, haha

I was talking to Lissa in chat.. There were a bunch of other people in there too, but basically she said it makes her sad that the mods think that she doesn’t care about them. I do think she cares about what’s going on, but I’m just wondering if there is actually anything Lissa can do at this point about the situation? I think she realizes that there is very little she can do, and is just trying to move on. I still feel bad about wanting to quit. I’m still waiting for Lissa to say something that makes it all better, although I don’t think she can.

She doesn’t give a rats. Her response to me leaving (‘oh quit making out like you are sad u wont be able to mod anymore’) just proves it to me. I just wish more people knew what an ungrateful cow she is.

I wasn’t mad at her at all, but now I am.

ps: just downloaded phpbb, if I install it or not is a different matter.

*goes on her knees*

install

so,who’s forum will we see back,anybody up for making one again? one with normal people that act normal and that we can decide for ourselves if a post is good or not??? and with a working arcade,hehe:)

my heart vanished lol

i forgot i can’t use that symbol here (3

peter–
trust me PLEASE. neopets.com is the best arcade around. games section.

Yeah, that was shitty. I just wish she would say something about the way she actually feels about the whole thing and what she’s going to do about it. I know it probably seems like I’m sucking up or something, but I’m just trying to see it from her perspective. I’m really pissed about how she’s handled it today.

Starlet, if you don’t install then I will. I neeeeed to still see you guys. Then again, I should check how much space I have first. haha

is vb so ex that i can’t buy it? meh.

Why can’t she say anything? I don’t understand.

i posted in the mod section, i’m going to post it in a while, i have to get off the puter at work for a while.

I really like Rosey’s thread in the mod section.. I think whether I stay a mod or not depends a lot on Lissa’s reply to it.

what did she write?

Yeah come on, you gotta share everything now…not many of us still have access lol

oh right, i forgot you guys can’t get in there now..

“so while we are all pouring our hearts here and have absolutely nothing to lose.

I’m going to ask the million dollar question:

all these moderators are leaving. Starlet, pbj…all these people have been a tremendous help to the forum and to you lissa.

What I’m wondering and I know i’m not the only one is this:

I’m sure you are not indifferent, i would certainly hope not. What i’m wondering is why you are letting all these people go without really saying much. I realise that Allie is your mom but you are 19 and this is your forum. What we are trying to understand is what hold there is there, what’s going on, what does she have to say?
Also a concern there is, and i’m just going to say it now, is that in the past, she has posted under your name, how do we know that can’t happen again?

What i’m trying to say is that i’m sure you are feeling something about all this but not sharing or talking about it with us directly. I think if we knew what you were feeling it would make a big difference. Are you feeling beat down and resigned that there isn’t anything you can do anyways so just let them leave?

Marianne posted her and your conversation and i think if you told us some of the things in that conversation directly, it would have made a difference. If she hadn’t posted that conversation, i’d be shocked at how easily you’re letting people go as if it’s not big deal.

I know this is your mom here and i know it must be hard being tugged both ways.

Please talk to us.”

I’m a normal member now so I can’t get into the mods area anymore. You’ll have to keep us updated.

Starlet I wasn’t mad at Lissa either. Then I saw the ‘get over’ posts and that pissed me even more off. She doesn’t give a fuck that we left, and look at all the crap we put up with there.

If anyone starts a forum, I’ll gladly and proudly join. =)

I’m never going to go back to Leia. I have no respect for them anymore. I will be removing her links from my Frame Code site tomorrow.

Ok.. Allie just made a long post and immediatly closed it.. I don’t really know if I have the right to post it here. If someone else wants to that’s fine, I just don’t want to be the one who posts it. I hate how Allie closed it as soon as she wrote it though. Several names came up.. starlet, lefty, pb&j, dude, sheila, peter… etc. I get the impression that Allie knows lucylane too… maybe not.

i meant to post it but i share a computer at work and i spend like 30minutes writing that so i had to get off.

*goes and reads allie’s post*

Hi guys, I just came home from work (but now I’m done working until after X-mas, so YAYY) – I wrote this in notepad again, so forgive me if the format gets messed up again:

As for Allie posting two private entries, she might be communicating with Lissa that way – since they were not talking for months before, over stuff that happened at the forum (I didn’t know this until Lissa told me) – it could be that they are not talking now.

Sheila, I’m sorry to bring this up, but I do have a fairly accurate memory, and I remember when you and Peter first left. You were having problems with your pregnancy, so it must have been a stressful time for you, but the miscarriage came AFTER you left, not before – because in the thread where you announced leaving, Peter said something along the lines of that you needed to spend more time doing other things, and mostly that you two wanted to focus on the baby you were expecting, and very soon after you left you found out you had miscarried I think (but since you had left and I don’t read you blog very often, I don’t know how much time passed between your leaving thread and the miscarriage.
I’m sorry to bring up such a painful thing here – it’s just that I feel it’s not accurate to say you left because you miscarried.

Angela: ‘I would consider staying if Allie apologizes, but I don’t see that happening.’ – that’s more or less how I feel. She doesn’t need to apologise to me, personally, because nothing bad was said to me, but I feel some people deserve an apology, or we as a group of mods do, but if she doesn’t apologise and she still stays on as a mod, that makes me not all that keen on staying.
What makes me really not want to stay is the fact that so many of you guys are leaving – because you were a big part of me feeling at home there, and nobody can replace you guys – no matter who gets ‘promoted into moddness’ next.

The quote from Allie’s journal really makes me gasp – she is in her mid to late forties, ACTING LIKE A 12 YEAR OLD – how can anyone be that ignorant and blunt!! No, she will definitely NOT apologise!

Avie: ‘how did things change so fast:( ‘ – that is exactly how I felt yesterday, I had been absent for 24 hours and so many things had happened that I left LEIA – I think this would have been a bit easier to accept if the process had taken more time.

Angela, I think you are just as cool as Starlet – for the record

Karen, ‘Also a concern there is, and i’m just going to say it now, is that in the past, she has posted under your name, how do we know that can’t happen again?’ – VERY good point!!! I wonder what she’ll say to that, because that has been on everyone’s mind I think, definitely on mine. I think the way you phrased that post is very good as well, this cannot be misunderstood in any way.

Between us, is there anything Lissa could do that would make us stay? (like banning her own mother – which I doubt she would – but just suppose).
For me, either an apology from Allie (to you guys, not to me because she never said anything bad to me so far), or Allie at least losing her mod position, would make me stay. I just don’t know if I want to say this to Lissa’s face, because she will feel pressurised into doing something she doesn’t want to do (and probably won’t do) but at the other hand, if she knew those were my ‘conditions’, she could make a decision one way or the other…

I’m going to LEIA now to read up on what’s going on there, since Lissa knows I am not 100% decided about leaving, I don’t mind if she knows I’ve been there now – but you guys leaving too makes me not want to stay – after reading up on the forum I might come back here fuming, so I’m going to post this here now, will be back soon.

oops, just realised Karen was quoting Rosie’s post, so that part was directed towards Rosie.

Sorry for posting what you said.. Immediatly after posting that I was worried there was a reason you didn’t share. Grrrr @ Allie… making it seem like she was the victim, and that all the mods are horrible people.

Since this thread completely PISSED ME OFF, I have NO issue reposting it here. Here’s Allie’s final words on the subject:

“This is the last post I’m going to make concerning this matter. It will say everything I want to say, so there won’t be any need for me to say anything else.

I have been involved in this forum from the start, before any of you were. I’ve always been behind the scenes, helping Lissa out with technical matters. I’ve watched the misbehavior of some of the moderators (note the word some) and I’ve always felt bad for Lissa that she was afraid to stand up to any of you and ask you to treat forum members with more respect.

I was doing my thing, what I’ve always done since the year 2000, and Sheila pounces on me for something as innocent as fixing stickies (interesting, considering Sheila did the same thing to SSPrincess’s post, but that’s beside the point). Like I said before maybe I was out of line for saying that she has never liked the forum, but you all know it’s true. She has quit, and so has Peter, twice a year every year since the year she joined (why do so many people stay, when all they have to say about this forum privately is negative?). The comments that followed in this post are absolutely unbelievable to me. Arguing about stickies? For god’s sake, I was just deleting old links and putting posts together, trying to do something positive and helpful for the forum. Sheila goes off the deep end, doesn’t even wait for an explanation, and says “I quit (again),” and NO ONE thinks that there’s anything a little out of line there??????? I’m the one in the wrong? To me, it just shows that no one was happy even BEFORE I showed up.

And then the whole power trip thing. Dude deletes all of Lucy’s posts, without explanation to Lucy. (Yes, you’ve been doing that all along, but it doesn’t make it right, and it has always “““ me off). Lucy is a 58 year old grandmother, a really awesome person. I tell Dude nicely “I don’t think she meant any harm” thinking that surely when I restored the posts he would know why. So I restored them, sent Lucy a letter of apology from the forum, told her that instead of bringing up older threads she could start new ones, asked her to stay, replied to a couple of her posts, and thought it was over. So now it’s pb&j’s turn. pb&j knows all of the above (except for the letter of apology) and decides it’s his turn to have a go at me. He deletes all of Lucy’s posts and deletes my responses to her. Again, I restore her posts, restore mine, send Lucy a letter of apology from the forum, and plead with her to stay. Now it’s Rosey’s turn. Knowing all of the above, she does the same. She deleted all of Lucy’s posts, and deleted my responses to her. AGAIN, I restored Lucy’s posts, restored my posts, sent Lucy a letter of apology, pleading with her to stay, telling her “really, we ARE all a nice bunch of people and we really want you to stay on the forum,” to which she replied that she had just received pms from MonkeyBizzle and Chrisb89 informing her not to bring up old threads (and like Marianne said, they weren’t that old). So, yet another letter of apology for the moderators and forum members was sent, and I asked her to please stay. Oh yeah, and lefty had a go at deleting lucy’s posts too

Why do you stay, when you don’t like the forum? Why do you run off and talk about Lissa behind her back? Lefty, you were unhappy before I ever showed up. Tell Lissa why. Dude, ditto for you. Starlet too. You accused me of not discussing anything with you, yet you do the same thing to Lissa.

I did tell Lissa that I do not want to be an administrator. I do believe that she would be far better off if 5 or 6 of you left (some of you have). I do believe that Lissa should not have to take a vote when she adds or deletes hacks, it’s her site, and it’s her decision what to add. I don’t believe moderators should act like administrators. I know that her forum will prosper no matter what all of you do or what happens.

Some of you didn’t want me here, and you did everything in your power to gain control of “your” forum.

The forum belongs to Lissa, and Lissa alone. It isn’t starlet’s forum, and it isn’t anyone else’s forum.

I’ve said what I wanted, I won’t discuss this anymore. I know you’ll all go around and around and around the real point.

The bottom line is, I love my daughter more than you could possibly know, and she knows that. Nothing you do or say can or ever will change that.”

Upon reading this thread, I made the circumstances page public @ QG. Right on the index page.

I was just going to post that here too – what a total BITCH she is!

I’M PISSED!

here is my reply:

Since we can’t discuss it on your thread, here goes.

I did NOT know that those posts had been undeteled TWICE before. You really think I would have bothered when they had been deleted twice and
reinstated twice?? I responded to the reported post, as I do, and started deleted, as i have always done. I had NO idea that you had undeleted, etc.

Since when do we have to go through you to talk to Lissa?? Do you screen all her emails, pms?

It IS her forum, maybe YOU should remember that.

Like i said before: yes things need to change, no one is doubting that but you should have told us something along the lines of “listen, i know this is how we have done things in the past, but at this time, we feel that we should change things and make it more welcoming. One thing to counter the speed posters is the expiring threads, they can’t post in any thread older than 30 days.”

If you had done that before accusing us of being rude to apparently a friend of yours, all this could have been avoided.

It’s not about the changes, it’s not about you being here, it’s not about you changing things, it’s about you attacking US for doing the things that Lissa has told us to do. Did you read my other post?

marianne, can you talk to lissa and see how she really feels?

sorry for the triple, i edited and took this part off cause i misread allie’s post:

Since when do we have to go through you to talk to Lissa?? Do you screen all her emails, pms?

uuuuuugggggggghhhh

Geez,so lissa’s mom really knows more about myself and sheila than we do ourselves,my god what an absolute moron of a mother that is,

well,if she thinks it that way we might as well rest it then,bye bye leia,and go fuck yourself allie…

that’s it,next…

There are SIX people viewing the private forum right now…
I can start up AOL and see if she’s there – but I want to read up on chat first – and after that – I don’t know, she and I talked yesterday, I feel it would be better if you guys (or the ones that still want to) talk to her yourself – I can ask her if that’s okay with her (I think it will be), but there are so many people and so many valid issues that I’m not even sure what to ask or tell her – the things I wanted to get off my chest have pretty much been said yesterday.
As for the mod forum, and people denying we are talking about Lissa behind her back – we ARE doing that.
And someone even said she was a spoilt brat in here (which I don’t agree with, but that’s beside the point).
Lissa knows we are discussing the matter because I told her in that chat, and the talking behind lissa’s back is probably Allie’s idea – but in truth, we are.
We need to talk about what happened, I know, but I feel denying it to Allie and Lissa is sort of – lying.

I called her a spoiled brat, and I don’t really mean that… you know how anger is.

I’m not even going to BOTHER reading the private forum anymore. I wish she’d demote me already.

yeah, we were talking about her here, but it really hasn’t been too bad. It would be kind of hard to talk about LEIA forum without mentioning Lissa.. I guess I probably shouldn’t have said we haven’t been talking to her. I didn’t mean we haven’t at all.. but for the most part it has been about Allie

Is there some way we could all talk to lissa at the same time with no chance of Allie seeing it? Like another private blog post (with a different password of course)

Whether we talk to her or not, I’m not going back. I probably won’t attend.

I don’t even blame Allie any more, I blame Lissa. Either she has hated the way we have been running the forum for a long time and didn’t say anything to us – HER FAULT or else she hates what her mum is doing now and daren’t say anything – HER FAULT.

There’s nothing Lissa could say or do now that would make me go back, even if she told us she banned her mother I wouldn’t believe her.

As for the issue of talking behind her back, i’m not, there isn’t a post in here by me I wouldn’t be ok with her seeing…we are only discussing it here because we couldn’t at LEIA itself.
There is a difference.

The plot thickens, LilSarah posting under the username ‘StarWay’

If you needed more proof the whole stinking lot of em lie, cheat and lie some more…there it is.

Also Allie has now officially given away that she is their mum, I don’t see why we should keep the secret!
http://lissaexplains.com/forum/showpost.php?p=335113&postcount=41

Hey, did you guys notice the postcount is back? (it took me a while to notice).

Westernrider seems to have a pretty good idea about what’s going on (Starlet’s leaving thread):

‘Alot of my hope was in the fact that you two were going to stay – I mean – not trying to make you feel bad about leaving – I know you have your reasons. But it is like the base of the forum has left. If there was one particular person who started this – I really think they should step out. I think this could be detrimental to the forum – if I knew I caused this – I would be on my knees begging for these people to come back – but then again I don’t know the situation – so it might not even be about a person – I am just assuming again.’

I feel so bad for nice people like Adrielle and Chris and vtangyl etc.

Starlet, I am not saying there’s anything wrong with this discussion, if I felt there was, I would not be here. If we could have discussed this with Lissa at LEIA, we would have done, but with Allie around PLUS her closing threads where we were trying to discuss anything has left us with no other choice than to go somewhere else to talk – I’m just glad you gave us the opportunity!

Wow, 200 comments…!!! Have you ever had such a huge debate on your site, Viki?

How do you know about StarWay? (I haven’t been paying attention)

I wanted to be the 200th comment, boo. haha

Sorry, took a screen cap but forgot to post it, durrr.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/swaymyway/lilsarah.gif

this is what i put, sarah wanted examples of her mom being rude. I’m trying to get ppl to calm down. I’m taking the first step here. Everyone is mad, upset and when you look at it, it really is a misunderstanding and lack of communication. I’m not saying that lissa couldn’t have said more though.

The thing that upset me the most was that Allie posted this in open forum:

Quote:
I think it’s really sad that I had to send 4 e-mails of apology to lucylane for the behavior of moderators and forum members, encouraging her to stay, and encouraging her to keep posting.

Lucy told me that she got 2 pms from forum members (NOT moderators) telling her about forum rules.
She’s brand new, and got attacked immediately when she joined the forum. IF she comes back, and I don’t know why she would, I would appreciate it if you all would be kinder to her. She’s a sweet person and there’s no reason to chase her away.

Just to let you know, it is now perfectly fine for members to bring up old threads. Threads in the misc. section will be automatically closed for new posts 30 days after there is no activity in thread.

How can this forum grow when people are treated like this?

The just to let you is fine for the members to inform them but until I read that, I had no clue. So you are apologizing for behavior that a few days ago was ok. I didn’t know anyone else had deleted them because if they had, they would have stayed deleted (with the old rules). If I had known, I never would have deleted them. That post was posted 2 hours before our new rules in the mod section, in the lucylane thread.

I think a lot of it stems from Allie coming off as rude:

Quote:
You’re only being asked to be nice to kids on the forum. Period.

Quote:
I’m here, I’m staying, and things need to change. I’ve already let you know what I want to see changed, and you know what Lissa wants.

I’ve said this a few times in the last few days, we don’t have a problem with any of this but we should have known before you expected us to follow the new rules when we didn’t even know that there even were new rules.
That’s all we’ve wanted.
Yes Sheila was upset but attacking her wasn’t the way to do it and I know you said you were wrong on that.
We’ve been trying to talk to lissa but she never seems to answer our concerns. We all react when things are said. Honestly, I didn’t know about the change and what you guys were trying to do. If I had known, I never would have deleted them. It’s really all a misunderstanding and a lot of people got in a tiff.

I’m going to say it again: i have no problems with changes, I have no problems will Allie coming and helping Lissa. I, for one, don’t think that everything needs to be discussed with us as far as changes go but I do think we need to know before they are implemented. I think approaching sheila with editing her posts would have been great or even a pm afterwards. Stickies need to be edited and we all know that, we all know websites move, close down, etc.

That’s all, I think a little consideration towards us would have gone a long way. Unless you tell us, we have no idea what’s going on. We found out after that not deleting old thread posts was new. When I read lucylanes thread and you said that you encouraged her and was going to keep an eye on her, i didn’t realise that this would be the same for all newbies.

I love that 30day hack tho.

I hope this made sense.

edit: oh, yes we are talking but it’s mostly sorting through our emotions. I’m sure you guys are talking about us too. I haven’t said anything there that i haven’t said here.

that screencap is amazing. It’s WAY too easy to comment in that thread… I can’t put myself up to it

Who the heck is Rommell, by the way?

Hmm actually it looks like Sarah just accidentally hit edit instead of reply. Having looked at some of StarWays older posts that seems perfectly feasable.

I have no clue who Rommel is, the name is vaugely famiilar but…no don’t know.

Did anyone read LucyLane’s post about post count being removed? ‘oh I like it, I have it on my forum too’ – anyone got the time to dig around and work out which account on there is Allie’s? lol

http://swaymyway.com/board/index.php

Sarah’s attitude also pisses me off. I commented on the fact that one of her posts sounded just like Allie, and she posted this: http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y204/_princessgarnet/dudeyoufail.jpg

bitch.

and why would the fact that it’s her mother mean they have the same style? I didn’t learn to write from my mother, and even if I did I’m sure the style would differ somewhat. I’m not convinced.

I’m fairly certain that I’ll be leaving. I just want to finish reading through everything and saving some things before I do.

I have a feeling someone is doing that, it says: Newest Member: AnonEMuss LOL

I hope you don’t mind, Angela, I showed Adrielle and Shannon (Sizzlinhair) your ‘what’ page – they are nice oldies, I feel they have a right to know.

well i’m not mad anymore. I think emotions are running high but i doubt allie will ever see that she has done something wrong.

I still don’t know what i’m doing though.

I’m fairly certain that Allie is using Sarah’s name.

“Sarah” posted a thread that was a duplicate of another from a week ago.

Allie said:
Oops I don’t think Sarah saw that. In fact, I’m sure she didn’t

sorry for the double

has anyone that’s still there noticed Allie posting in a ton of old threads? I didn’t realize until I got to the second page where most of the leaving threads are- but I think she’s trying to bury those.

grrrrr

Sphere just said EXACTLY the same to me in a chat, Dan!

Shannon is just bringing up my leave thread to annoy Allie hehehe – I did not ask her to do that – but it makes me laugh that she is doing that.

I think it’s kind of funny that Christopher is in the LEIA chat, but away. I bet Lissa/Allie/whoever just wants to be able to see if anyone talks about them

I think they know very well we are talking about them – they probably even know we are at Viki’s site talking, I don’t think reading our pm’s is beyond Allie, and if she has, she might hav the password to this thread.

http://www.lissaexplains.com/forum/showgroups.php – Allie’s name is not on that list – I wonder if that means she’s no longer a moderator…

i dont think so because you know she has already taken some people off and they are still on that list. I think she has to add them to the usergroup so she coudl have demoted her to mod but hasn’t added her to that mod list yet.

I saved a bunch of threads from the mods forum (I viewed the printable version and saved the page to my hard drive), and I will be saving the leaving threads also. any other requests while I’m still a mod (which won’t be for long)?

You get everything from the one ‘I don’t know what to call my threeeead’? and whichever thread it was Allie posted her speech thing in?

Also for the record guys, that post by Allie…was in the mods section correct? Moderators don’t have mod powers in the private forum, only admins can close threads in there…so…you do the math.

I got Lissa’s “Can’t think of a title for my threaaad” one, and Allie’s “Last word on the matter.” as well as anything else that I remember having anything to do with this matter.

I’ll send the files or copy and paste or whatever, or post a zip file of them all or something, if anyone wants copies of them, either to refer to what was said, or if you want your leaving thread, or whatever. just let me know.

Something I found amusing: this thread http://www.lissaexplains.com/forum/showthread.php?t=49033 The post by lydia was quoting “Congrats on almost 500 posts!” and the reply was “LOL Thanks!” Then it was deleted and Allie posted thanks. Not that it tells us anything new.. I just found it amusing.

Also, are you guys signing up under different names?

i’ve been shopping for a few hours and i’m going to say this first: i don’t know what to do. At this point, if i were to step down, it would be because I can’t keep up anyways and haven’t been active in modship for a while. It was a place of prestige and now, it doesn’t even feel like that at all.

However, and don’t hate me, please. But the last few posts are you guys saving threads and stuff. Why? If you are leaving and leaving it behind, why are you saving threads?

I know you guys are upset and I know we are all running on emotions for the past few days. But now, it’s down right vindictive. I don’t say this lightly, I’ve thought about it before typing this out.

We were all upset because of allie’s miscommunication but I don’t think we’re acting any better at this point.

I don’t think the issue has been resolved properly on leia by any means but i think this is a low for us here.

I’m not sure if i’m the only one who feel like this or not. Please don’t hate me

I want to save the threads because I know that I’ll miss the place- the way it used to be- once everything settles. I want to have the threads where everyone is saying how much they’ll miss all the mods. and in the meantime, we know that Allie has gone back and edited things. I want proof of what was said, just in case anything more comes of this.

I know that I’m biased, but I really don’t think we’re being as bad as Allie or Lissa (moreso Allie). we’re discussing the situation, and posting about it openly at LEIA. Allie didn’t allow us chances to reply, which is the part that got me the most irritated. I think we’re being relatively patient and open about the whole thing, and we’ve all been willing to discuss what’s going on with them, something they been trying not to let us do.

Is it just the saving of threads you are referring to Rosey? Or more? I’m not sure why that seems like something really bad to you so I am a bit confused…

Like Dan I don’t want them for any vindictive reasons, I’d like to see what was said in the mods section after I left just because I can’t anymore an am curious…and I wanted to save others (i saved them myself a few days ago) just so that this time if Allie removes anything we will know for sure and things can be remembered exactly how they happened rather than ‘hmm..then I think Lissa posted, then I did…and I said something like ‘blah blah’

Karen, funny you said that… I figured that a couple years down the road (like, when I’m married and move out and have a completely different IP address) I’ll sign up under another name. Just to see how things are.

And actually, I’ll lurk around next month (not logged in, of course) to see if anything has happened.

I’m going to be honest.. Sphere’s leaving thread was a little immature.. especially with the “Lissa Singer” part. I don’t know… I still don’t know what i’m going to do.

yeah i was referring to the thread saving. It seemed to me that you guys were keeping them on the off chance to say “it wasn’t like that and i have PROOF” or something. But from dan and your reply, i was wrong. I can see why you guys would want to keep your bye bye threads tho .

I still haven’t completely decided either. I’m still clinging to it because I’ve been there so long and I hate change. but at the same time I know that even if all the mods came back and Allie was gone, things won’t be the same there. Lissa has said some things that make me (and others, I’m sure) not feel wanted, and the atmosphere will be different. I don’t want to let go, but I also feel like I don’t belong there.

Lissa said recently that she knows a bunch of people didn’t like the forum before everything blew up, and she doesn’t know why they came back after they left the first time (and she said she wasn’t referring to Sheila and Peter)- which I think leaves me and Angela (has anyone else tried to leave?). I went back because I didn’t know what to do with myself- but the fact that I did go back should have told her that things must not have been as bad as I thought. now she just seems ungrateful, and I feel like I shouldn’t be there if she has to wonder why I returned in the first place. now I’m wondering if I ever did contribute much, because I know that I was rude quite a bit more recently and all that. it wasn’t intentional and I wish that I wasn’t- but after a while there, I would just lose patience with certain people.

I also wonder if we are going about this the right way. Lissa keeps saying that the regulars only heard one side and everything- which I think she would say just to make herself look better, but at the same time, are we overreacting? I really don’t appreciate a lot of the things said, mostly by Allie, but also Lissa and Sarah- but is it worth leaving over? but like I was getting at earlier, if I don’t leave, will the mood be too different?

I just don’t know.

Marie, I do want to be able to do that- but only if this continues on further. I’m not going to spread everything said around to everyone or anything, but in case Allie tries to start trouble or anything, I want to be able to go back and see what was really said, because we know we can’t fully trust her. but like I said- only if she does something more. when/if I leave, I do want to leave a lot of this behind. the stuff I saved will probably just sit on my hard drive, because I’ll probably/hopefully forget about it.

Lissa singer thing? I guess that must have happened in the mods section cos I can’t see anything like that on his public thread!

Don’t worry about it Rosey, none of us are planning an attack or anything nasty…don’t think any of us are like that. Although I am nervous about this long explanation Lissa says she is going to post (frankly I doubt she ever will) because I have a bad memory for the finer details if she says anything I think she is fibbing about I can go back to the threads to check, it’s no different to me going back to that google map thread to check on what Allie had said, except I can’t read threads in the mod section any more so had to save it.

Is anyone else a bit confused by Kittycat? I can totally understand her staying out of it entirely….but she didn’t even say bye to any of us in our leaving threads, I’m sure she has her reasons….but I can’t really think what they would be.

i’m like you dan. Lissa does seem ungrateful. I just don’t know what to do or say. I’ve been sitting on a reply for the last 30 minutes and it’s not even finished.

That’s why i didn’t leave before, because i liked it, because of all you guys, because yeah i was kinda proud to be a mod. Now I could care less, mod or not.

It’s like she is torn but won’t say anything. On one thread, she said that allie overstepped her bounds etc and then another she is totally backing her mom.

i know you guys aren’t like that. I guess i kinda freaked out..

what are we going to do brain?
same thing we always do pinky, take over the world….

lol

has kittycat been on? that is weird if she has tho

I was wondering about her too.. Is it possible she hasn’t been in the mod section or chat section to find out about this all?

Her post in Ryans leaving (now staying) thread…

“I haven’t replied in all of the leaving threads yet, because I’m still not sure of some specific people leaving, since I have spoken to them. I hope I don’t seem insensitive ”

She doesn’t SEEM it, she IS it. She didn’t say a single word to any of us leaving other than ‘ok’ (and something that I think was extremely nasty to me). She’s just going for the sympathy vote again.

I just did an ip look up on ‘Rommel’ and it’s the same person who posted as Bush in this post, nice chap huh? lol

http://www.swaymyway.com/?p=86

Also don’t forget, sway forum

http://www.swaymyway.com/board

Kittycat has made plenty of posts in the chat section the last few days.

I just saw kittycat’s LJ today or yesterday (the last few days have been blending together), and I could have sworn she said something about LEIA there, but now I don’t see it. I don’t remember exactly what she said, but it was along the lines of being undecided about staying or leaving, but she was considering leaving because so many other people are. but now I’m second guessing myself, wondering if she did have that and removed it, or I saw the journal then read something else where somebody said that- I don’t know. I’ve read so much about LEIA I can’t remember what’s been said here, on journals, or in which threads.

and I’m having trouble reading Lissa also. she keeps saying that she’ll miss the mods, but the next second it’s like she can’t wait for us to leave- again. what I should do is go back and see what she said and where- if she’s always bitchy in the mods forum and nice on the forum, that’s one thing. then I’ll be convinced that she’s only doing it to make herself look better. if I remember correctly I think that’s the way it’s been- she and Allie criticize us in private, then sounds sappy on the forum. I guess what I’m waiting for (which will never happen) is to get some kind of recognition. she’s said things about the mods in general being helpful, but she’s also said negative things that seem to be directed at me. I just want to know what she actually thinks of me. granted it probably won’t change anything, because if she says I was ok, I’ll leave on a slightly positive note, and if she says I was rude or whatever else, then I’ll want to leave anyway… I just want to know what she actually thinks of me, and this whole situation, and we can’t get any straight answers.

I’m having a hard time reading her. I can’t believe that you, and others of course, have been there for so long. 20k posts for crying out loud and she just said ok to you leaving? It just doesn’t sound like the lissa i thought she was.

Awww, Lefty you made her mad!

http://lissaexplains.com/forum/showthread.php?t=49062

Any excuse to not face up to things.

Lissa’s pissed now..

If she tries to defend herself by posting her side of the story I will have more respect for her. I kind of don’t blame her for being mad.. I’m not neccessarily saying lefty was wrong either though.

I don’t think lefty was wrong at all. the forum belongs to the members- they’re what makes it a forum. everything was/is crumbling around them, and they were in the dark. I think it’s only fair that they have an idea of what’s going on, and Lissa up to now didn’t seem willing to be the one to enlighten them.

I really hope she still posts her “side”. I really don’t think she wants to, so she’s mad at the person that gave the members enough respect to keep them somewhat informed. I think lefty’s description was accurate and tactful- since she wasn’t willing to do it herself, she should welcome that.

“Anyway, I have a plan for the forum when everything’s said and done, I’m excited about my plan, I think the mods and members will appreciate it.” This scares me.

“I’ve posted a heck of a lot in the private forum”

no, she didn’t- which is part of the problem.

she’s completely clueless, isn’t she?

I immediately take that back- she’s either clueless or trying to make herself look better.

“Anyway, I have a plan for the forum when everything’s said and done, I’m excited about my plan, I think the mods and members will appreciate it.

“I’ll try to post the rest of my explanation by tonight, but if I fall asleep first (which I might) then there is gonna be a meeting of sorts in Flashchat, tomorrow (December 22) at 3 pm Eastern time.. I think that’s alright for everyone, right?.. where you can ask civil questions and I’ll give you a hint of what will come in my new implementation for the forum, after everything is said and done It won’t be too long, because there won’t be too many things to explain, but you know, just in case”

damn it. I want to see what she has to say, but I don’t want her to hold back because she’ll see that I’m there…

yeah i’m just hanging to see what’s going on. I still dont know what i’m doing but for now i’m staying put to see what happens.

her explanation should have come this morning.

I am also curious to be in the chat, but won’t go. I’m sure we will hear about the changes any way.

Also just a thought I am going to throw out there before i head off to bed.

Allieexplainsitall.com, ok…Allie installs all the hacks and stuff on the board no problem so she’s obviously internet savvy and has coding skills! What if it was Allie who created and maintained the site in the early years and just put Lissa’s name to it because she knew it’d be ‘cute’ and give them an edge over all the other help sites out there! I mean really, how often do you see Lissa helping people on the forums? I don’t think I ever have!

Nighty night

what a scandal!! lol

(WOAH. Long thread. I’d read later..)

I just talked with Lissa in the flashchat and she was so nice about everything. Now I’m worred that it wasn’t Lissa but Allie. SEE. I have trust issues. Frankly, I’m scared now. I wonder what her plan is and all that… and the chat thing tomorrow? That freaks me out, how it is going to turn out… I’m ditching this drama for a while… rest and relax, people.. until tomorrow. Talk to you guys tomorrow…

*hugs*

I quit twice a year,,,,,when the hell did that happen. Was I having out of body experiences and going on to Leia and quitting. Oh dear!

I’m also concerned about the different sides Lissa (the user name, anyway) is showing. either she has split personalities, or Allie has been using Lissa’s name and Lissa is afraid to say so or something. she’s continuing to say that she’ll miss everyone (even on Viki’s blog), but on the public forum we’ve all quit before and we all hated the forum before Allie started really pissing us off and we’re ganging up on her (what are we supposed to do? Allie didn’t respect any of us, so we’re all in the same boat. when people file a class action lawsuit, you don’t see the defendant yelling “hey, you’re all ganging up on me!”- and to answer her question about who was sticking up for the admin- what about her and Sarah?).

I just wish we could get a straight explanation from her, when we know it’s her.

I don’t really like the fact that people will have to ask questions via IM to have them answered in the chat. she can dodge questions more easily that way- and who will be getting the IMs, Lissa or Allie?

gah, I need to think more before hitting the submit button, sorry

Sheila, of course you quit twice a year. I also hated the forum that I’ve been visiting obsessively and helping out with for 4 and a half years. apparently, anyway.

I guess we are just power hungry, Dan. LOL

I don’t trust Lissa either….meaning the going under different usernames bit. How do you know they are excatly who they say they are.

—-

Just so you people know I’m not going to be reading this stuff anymore. I made one last post on the LEIA forum. …..where was I going with this….oh yeah….I don’t want to be stressin over such stupid crap, so I will stop reading.

Hope this made some kind of sense. My cold is killing braincells.

Lissa just told me to respectful in the public (and private) forum, but is she telling her mom to respect us? Uh Nooooo

Okay Okay……I’m really stopping reading this stuff now.

Starlet, ‘Also for the record guys, that post by Allie…was in the mods section correct? Moderators don’t have mod powers in the private forum, only admins can close threads in there…so…you do the math.’
- that’s not entirely correct. I have no mod powers in chat, but when I post a new thread there, as I did with my leaving thread, I could close my own thread upon posting.

Marie, I can see your point – but the actual thread that made me leave was the one where some of you guys WERE discussing it at the forum, in a rather polite manner, and Allie closed the (very old – but very active) thread – after telling them off. If we had been able to discuss this at LEIA, I definitely would have done, and I don’t think I have said too many bad things here.

Dan, I was wondering about what Lissa was talking about too – I remembered Angela left at some point, but I had forgotten you left (how could I have forgotten that I really don’t know, for I always liked you). So it seems that she is talking about you and/or Angela – if she had something to say to you guys, she should have said it, rather than allow her mother to chase us all away – but then again that’s just Lissa I guess, she hates/isn’t too good with confrontations. I too would like to hear what she has to say about this – and I hope people will behave somewhat mature in that chat. As for her side, I might add that I think rude and immature things were said on both sides eventually, not just by Allie.

Starlet II, the Lissa Singer thing was referring to Sphere’s leaving thread in the private section – not sure if I should or should not re-post his post here…

Kittycat has barely been posting in the mod’s section whatsoever – has she? I mean, even before all of this. I don’t know why she hasn’t said goodbye… and I wonder where Mirna is, and if she even knows what’s going on – she might be gone for a week and then come back and find all of us gone…

Marie II – she (Lissa) is saying different things, backing her mum up in one thread and not in the other – I think some of the verbal attacks on her mum are making her lean towards defending her mum some times, I dunno – it’s confusing.

Karen, ‘”Anyway, I have a plan for the forum when everything’s said and done, I’m excited about my plan, I think the mods and members will appreciate it.

Mirna just signed on MSN, I told her that we all left, she asked what happened, I said it was a long story and that perhaps she should read up on things – which I believe she is doing now – I wonder what her thoughts are on all of this…

Oh, and Allie posted a thread in the mod forum called ‘Just a tip ‘
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You might want to keep an eye on the ip addresses of new users who are particulary annoying, I think you know why

- I wonder who she is referring to exactly?

And Lil Sarah posted a thread in the mod forum called ‘Current moderators?
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Who are all of the current moderators *that are staying*?

I resisted the temptation to say: ‘Apparently, you, your sister and your mother are’

sorry for the multi posting, but…

WOW, Mirna has just resigned as a mod too…

This is Sphere’s goodbye post – not the most tactful one I might add;

I’d like to turn my membership from a Moderator to a regular member.
I’ve “watched the cat out of the tree” (thats a dutch proverb) to see if the situation will get better. Unfortunately the relation of Lissa with Allie is that Allie is her mother. Of course thats a very vertical relation. Vertical relations don’t work everywhere. Especially not in environments that are runned by volunteers like this one. Allie has a very big influence on Lissa and Lissa has problems to go in it because its her mom. Allie can do whatever she want, she’s in charge here. She can change anything without telling others. There’s no need for communication to the mods. If there went things wrong its always there fault. Why should she care anyway if mods like her or not. She even wants to get rid of some mods because they are useless here or “unhelpfull” and “rude” (What about all the good things they did?). The big problem is that she isn’t aware of anything. We are just some power hungry mods that run amok here(stupid mods huh, the faster i get rid of them the faster i get absolute power). Lets get rid of them as fast as possible. Of course we need a lot of new members. What if they find out that the mods don’t like this forum? We need to bump all “semi-old threads” up to hide the leave threads so they won’t see it and think nothing happened.

But you forget things like:
Running a forum (especially a professionalised help forum of any kind) is more then just to keep order. You can’t run it if you don’t have moderators that have knowlegde about things. Thats why every mod has assigned the forums on the subjects they are good in it. I think that 80% of the questions are answered by the mods. Who is going to answer them if most of the mods leave? Lissa Singer? she’s very busy with admin the forum and school and stuff. Sarah Singer? I don’t think that either. Adrienne Singer? Well its up to you i think. Or.. you have to find a new dedicated crew. How will you treat them? Will they even want to be part of it, and are they even dedicated as we were? Maybe its better not to have a new crew because you don’t like mods.

I refuse to be part of the crew as long as Allie is in it so its my time to leave.
Its painfull but i don’t have an other choice (Quitting is better then being under a dictatorship). I wish Lissa a lot of luck with the forum. She’s the one that makes me feel, that i’m not supposed to leave, she never wanted that these things would happen, but i don’t think that there is an other choice for me. This forum actually deserves better then the things happened

I problably will stick around as a regular. I also wish all the mods that are leaving and decided never to come back very much luck in whatever they are doing.

And for once al all: The only one i’ve ever had problems with is Allie. You might come in the Guidness book of records as fasted community destroyer.
congrats with that.

To add–

I asked Lissa if she will ever ask us back when this drama is over, she said well we all left on our own acocunt… towards the end of the chat, she mentioned yeah, she would ask some (very vague quoting) but she doesn’t want to appear desperate so I guess that’s her way of saying shes doesn’t know what to do… I told her please consider, (I really want to know that she DOES miss us). We’ll see…

This is what I posted in the mods section – sorry it is so lenghty, I’ll cut it in two:

I’ve thought about this a lot.
After I quit two days ago, Lissa and I talked about this, and I promised I would think about it.
In the day that followed, several things happened, for one, quite a few of the mods left as well – I guess they were a big part of what I liked about this forum, they (and you, Lissa), feel a bit like family I guess, and this place won’t be the same without them.
So with them gone, I don’t think I will want to stay.
But also, things Allie has said since then, the way she reacted to everything, I dunno – I guess I really don’t want to be a moderator in any place that’s she’s a moderator in. Strange, because I really liked her offline personality, but I have no respect for her online one…

[quote=Allie]I’m the one in the wrong? To me, it just shows that no one was happy even BEFORE I showed up.[/quote]For the record, I think you are the one in the wrong, but definitely not the only one, things that should not have said have been said on both ‘sides’.
I dunno – I think I have been fairly happy here, most of the time…

[quote=Allie]Why do you run off and talk about Lissa behind her back?[/quote]I hope you believe me when I say I haven’t been saying anything bad about Lissa, but yes, I have been discussing it outside the forum. I would have preferred to discuss it here, WITH you and Lissa (more so with Lissa actually) – but since threads got closed where people tried to discuss things, I did not feel that we had the opportunity to discuss things here, that it was even ‘open for discussion’ and I guess others felt the same.

[quote=Allie]I do believe that she would be far better off if 5 or 6 of you left (some of you have).[/quote]Well, you must be very happy with what you’ve accomplished, nearly everyone left indeed. What I don’t know is if Lissa shares your belief, that she’s better off now – from some of her posts I get the impression she agrees with you, and from some posts I get the impression she did not want to see so many of us go. Was that the plan? To insult the ones you decided Lissa would be better off without? If we hadn’t been such a tight-knit group it might have worked very well.
But perhaps you are right, perhaps we have been here for too long and it’s time to bring in some new people. I think most of us realise that the forum will go on without us and that we are quite replaceable to the forum. If we didn’t realise it, a post like this one:
http://www.lissaexplains.com/forum/showthread.php?t=48939&page=2
made it quite obvious that we are not needed here, and that you are doing just fine without us.

[quote=Allie]Some of you didn’t want me here, and you did everything in your power to gain control of “your” forum.[/quote]I never viewed it as ‘my’ forum, but I did enjoy being part of this community. I realise I was one of the less active moderators, but even so, between working full time recently, trying to study at university, and keeping my house clean etc., I tried to check in here every day, and I did spend quite a bit of time helping out in the Flash forum. Being told that Lissa is better off if five or six of us left makes me feel – I dunno – redundant I guess.

[quote=Allie]I know you’ll all go around and around and around the real point.[/quote]I honestly don’t know what you are talking about – to me, the point is the lack of consideration for the mods and the dictator-style with which you did your admin job here – do you think there are deeper underlying issues? If so, I am seriously unaware of them.

As for your last line, I do believe that you love your daughter dearly – both of them in fact.

What you said in your journal; [quote=Allie]…Got demoted from admin because of a bunch of power hungry moderators run amok[/quote]How much further do you want to insult us? I know both sides have said bad things, but I think that maybe you were demoted for driving almost the entire active ‘crew’ away… just my two cents worth.

If your posts in the 24 hours that followed had shown some consideration towards us, instead of insulting us even further, and if not nearly all the other mods had left too, I probably would have stayed – by the end of that chat with Lissa, I was leaning more towards staying.

[quote=Lil_Sarah]So, Sheila can curse and go on a tangent, but it’s not alright for Allie to say “it’s no secret you don’t like it here” after Sheila said “I DON’T GIVE A RATS “`, THIS FORUM SUCKS.” I don’t see how that pans out.[/quote]I do think that Sheila was not being very nice in that post either – the thing is, we did not know Allie, and we did know Sheila – I guess people are more loyal and forgiving to people they have known for years than to people they know virtually nothing about. Since you have known your mother all your life, and we did not even know at that point that she is yours and Lissa’s mother, I can see how you look at this in a very different way – I’m not saying that you’re wrong either, just trying to explain why we sort of jumped on her for saying something like that to Sheila, and none of us jumped on Sheila for saying what she said.

[quote=Lil_Sarah]And yes, Rosey, that was a misunderstanding. A few of you seem so paranoid that everything Allie does, she’s out to get you. That’s not the case, I’m sure. ;p[/quote]Unfortunately, that’s what happens when emotions run this high – everyone musunderstands everyone’s intentions, it seems.

[quote=Lil_Sarah]Adults arguing overstickies.[/quote]For me, it was never about stickies – it was about the inconsiderate way in which some mods were treated etc. etc.

[quote=Lissa]Actually, I’m not as much indifferent as you may think. I think everything got out of hand very fast. I also know that there are a number of moderators who haven’t enjoyed the forum for a VERY long time, so I’m not sure why they didn’t stay gone when they had already left (I’m not speaking about Peter or Sheila here, by the way). [/quote]Obviously, Dan and Angela now assume you’re talking about them. I never noticed that they were so unhappy, but maybe I’ve just been unobservant.

[quote=Lissa]I’m pretty sure Allie has said all she wants to or needs to say. She is my mother, not my boss or my dictator, and she doesn’t want to be. I agreed that the forum needed to be friendlier, and that’s what she tried to do. Everyone agrees that it is a good idea to make it less threatening, and that is what she tried to do, but got attacked.. while defending herself, I guess she just sounded like a bi.tch. It happens, who knew there would be such an overreaction to it?[/quote]Sorry if we were too unfriendly – but any critisism on our behaviour would probably have gone down better if it had come from you, because we know and trust you, and you have a tactful way of saying things.

Oh, and just so you know, when Mirna came online this morning, I asked her if she had been on LEIA and if she knew we had all left, when she asked what had happened I said it was a long story and told her to read the threads in the mods section, which she did. I did not encourage her to leave or tell her that she should make a desiscion or anything like that.

So, since I think it’s fair to let you know what is going on, Lissa (because you knew that after our chat I was considering staying) – I am leaving. I will hang around for the SS project (groovy edition) to end – people are still pm-ing me and emailing me on the subject – and after that I’m gone. I hope we will stay in touch through chat or email – like I said before, I still respect you.

Mirna’s goodbye post:

i’d like to turn my status into a regular membership.

I also have no problem with you lissa, ““ i don’t even knew that there where problems untill marianne asked me if i was going to stay or not.

I do have a big problem with allie, as her being an admin. So that’s why i don’t want to be a mod anymore sorry for that but that’s just the way it is now

Love,
Mirna
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Allie’s answer (she was up very early this morning!!)

“And how could you even know that? You weren’t even here…”

And now, twenty minutes later, Lydia, the ghost admin, is in the mods forum…. it could be Lissa of course, or it could be that Adrienne is using Lydia’s account – perhaps she missed the moderator powers she had…

Marianne: you said exactly what i was thinking and some of the things i had been thinking too. One some posts she defends mom, on others, not…so what’s up? I don’t wnat her to take sides but mom needs to apologize…hell, didn’t i apologize for emotions etc? I even sent lucylane a pm of apology in case they say we never did, i can say UH I DID!

Allie’s ip thread bugged the crap out of me too.

I need to go to work. I hope someone goes to chat, if not to see what’s going to be said.

I don’t know what i’m doing, i’m leaning towards leaving and marianne, i wanted to reply teh same to the “who are the mods that are staying” deal.

I was just going to post about her “just a tip ” thread. BITCH!

She said…
“You might want to keep an eye on the ip addresses of new users who are particulary annoying, I think you know why”

I forget what I said, but it was something like “you could have waited until after you demoted me to post this thread.”

I don’t know why they haven’t, yet *rolls eyes*

Avie – I was in the chat room too, and that wasn’t what I got from what Lissa said. I thought she said all that after you asked if you could be a mod again. She said she’s not asking any of the mods back because they left on their own terms and she doesn’t want to seem deperate for mods by just letting them all be mods again. I don’t know though.

oh also.. It seems that somone has access here that shouldn’t, or someone is telling people what’s going on, and they’re telling Lissa or something. But Lissa knows a lot that has been said in here. It really doesn’t matter though, I don’t think anyone posted anything here that they wouldn’t want lissa to know… It’s all been said.

“She said she’s not asking any of the mods back because they left on their own terms and she doesn’t want to seem deperate for mods by just letting them all be mods again. I don’t know though.
”

how is that different from what i said–

I asked Lissa if she will ever ask us back when this drama is over, she said well we all left on our own acocunt… towards the end of the chat, she mentioned yeah, she would ask some (very vague quoting) but she doesn’t want to appear desperate so I guess that’s her way of saying shes doesn’t know what to do… I told her please consider, (I really want to know that she DOES miss us). We’ll see…

??

i must admit i was quite sad when she was hesitant tho.. really thought she would say things like, i’m so glad you change your mind… sigh. maybe i was talking to allie, *rolls eyes*

that’s nice. who gave us away. whoever that fucker is.

i thought lissa read all from qg tho

I’m pretty sure that was Lissa.. I just don’t remember the part where she said that she would ask some mods back.

Yeah Lissa read the stuff @ QG… I got an entire thread for it, lucky me!

If she wants to read all this then whatever, she shouldn’t be snooping anyway.

no, she knew more than what was said on qg

i should have save that chat.

it was something along the lines of asking some, and not asking some.. and that some of (us) are better off as members. before she left?

A lot of what she knew sounded like she read the first post on this page actually… Unless that was said somewhere else, I don’t know how she found out.

Maybe avie.. I guess we’ll see.. I’m not sure.. I guess we both read it differently.

karen, what does she know that is not said on qg?

if she truly had read this thread, she wouldn’t be nice to me anymore. i’m such a bitch with words when im angry

“if I had something else to occupy myself, I would leave.” Did dan say something like this somewhere else besides here? She said someone told her that this was said (she didn’t use his exact words though) Also that someone said they should be paid to moderate.. which if you misread dans post on the top of this page (like, really reeally misread it) you could get that from it. Unless he said this somewhere else?

It didn’t sound to me that she actually read this though. Just that someone told her about it. But hey.. I could have misread the chat on this too..

huh? i don’t even remember her saying anything like that just now. or was it another chat session, karen?

by the way, i just love how the intro section is being spammed. sheila is sorely missed.

this just in! http://www.lissaexplains.com/forum/journal.php?do=showjournal&j=2

it might have been before you came it.. but that’s just what i remember anyway. Allie’s journal entry makes me sick.

how low is THAT?????! posting screenshots of the private forum

I was just going to post that link to Allie’s journal – HER side of the story, with screenshots of what she wants others to read. I’m surprised she did not hide the part where she said Lissa would be better off if 5 or 6 of us left.
She has a link to that journal in her siggy, and is telling people to go and read it. Part of me wants to write something in my journal too – I tend to think I’m a little less biassed than she is – but it’s probably not worth the time it would take…

Avie, if she does that – we can do it too… things like where she says she’s here to stay if we like it or not etc. etc.

Don’t make screenshots. I commented in her journal about how low that is. Seriously, is this the big explanation that was being written up? Because to me, it just looks like she TOOK what I wrote and TWISTED it around.

I’m SHAKING I’m so angry. I can’t WAIT for SS to be over and I can get the FUCK out of there.

Allie just snapped at Karen for editing her own post in the private forum (within the 5 minute frame we have there – it’s not as if we can really twist things around – plus she did not say anything all that bad in her initial writing).
What is she trying to do, drive away the ONE mod that’s still active besides her and her daughters?!
I wonder if Karen was one of the ‘five or six people Lissa would be better off without’…!

No one has mod powers in “even groovier people,” do they? I really want to get rid of my threads but I can’t.

I would want to get rid of mine too – but no, no mod powers…

yesterday I was actually convinced that I was going to stay (after talking to lissa) but now I’m back to undecided/ leaning on quitting. Did you see my post in the mod forum before I editted Marianne? I didn’t think it was a big deal that i edited it. I thought nothing of it. I’m wondering about the ‘five or six people Lissa would be better off without’ .. actually I think I’m going to ask about it.

no, I did not see it before you edited it, but I take your word for it. I also love how you double posted, saying ‘I don’t want to use the edit button’.

Ask in the chat forum, because they don’t seem to mind blabbering everyone else’s business.

holy fuck.. is she going to delete that spam thread in the introduce yurself forum or not?! I only asked her twice now.. I guess she’s too busy trying to drive me out to actually moderate.

Why are you still bothering, Karen? It’s not as if you haven’t been treated like shit…

I try not to make decisions when i’m “emotional”. (aka angry)

Woah someone posted screencaps of something? I think I will post (but not do, don’t worry) something like…

‘oh, it’s ok to share private conversations now? Smashing…what better way to let people decide for themselves than the let them actually read the treads rather than hear it from any ‘side’ – facts are facts, let them decide from those right?’

oh the screenshots are working against her!

Chris basically asked, “if this is Lissa’s forum then why are you in charge?” Funny, we’ve been asked that the entire time!

I’ve posted a new journal entry @ LEIA, and hopefully it’ll cool people down and make them forget about this entire mess.

I repeated what I had said to Allie today in the mod forum in that thread in Chat. Wonder if Allie is still going to ignore it now…

Probably.

And Sarah needs to go away. Of course, it could not be Sarah at all.

sarah drives me crazy

Allie is a Christian and she would never do such a thing – Wow, that’s a relief to know!

Lydia is posting now, isn’t that fun?

I think that was a genuine mistake of Allie, not to post under her own name

hahaha she just admitted using Lydia’s name as an alter-ego – doesn’t she have any mod powers in Chat under her own name?

Let’s see if Lydia’s post magically disappears, hahaha

hey can we get a “secret” forum at sway? It would be much easier to talk on a forum

Oh and for the record, i’m not sure Lissa would have access to here…the ONLY person I gave the password to via pm was you Marianne, and only because you were online and I knew you’d delete it instantly – so certainly if she is in here it is because someone gave her the password or she guessed it!

Either way I don’t care, like I said I havn’t said anything in here that I wouldn’t say to her face.

Starlet, I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a log kept of the pm’s being sent – since everything gets recorded in a database, why not pm’s?
Angela, Lydia’s post DID magically disappear LOL – but AFTER I had seen it and commented on it

Yeah you are probably right, talk about sneaky.

Initially I was PMing Lefty without giving it a second thought, but then after I pm’d Dan (to ask him if Allie had just undeleted everything he deleted) when I got the reply it came up ‘congratulations you have mail’ but when I went to my PM box it wasn’t marked as new, that’s when I knew someone else was reading PMs and moved everything to email/Ims/here.

she said something about being sent to gc from a member that wasn’t even 3 months old..didn’t she?

since allie posted that, i posted my post and NO it was NOT addressed!

neither was my other post in the private forum.

I bet chris and tokyo blue will be made mods

I think keeping a backup in itself is not sneaky persé, but coming to read this here knowing this was not for your eyes is – then again, if I was them, with the way things are going, I would probably do the same.

LOL @ Starlet for finding out Lydia had been posting way back when LEIA Idol was on and her daughter was competing ROFL – and they accused poor Shannon of cheating on the votes!

I don’t know if Chris would accept moderator – even though he’d make a good one. *shrug*

I’m trying to think of [i]anyone[/i] to run that place, but my mind is coming up blank.

I think i’ve probably blown it, I got personal and bitchy. Sorry if that causes any further difficulties for you guys who are handling things better.

She took away my modness – but still forgot about Angela’s LOL – I wonder if she ever bothered to reply to any of the posts I made today in the mod section.

Lissa said she’s remove my modness today, so I don’t know what she’s waiting for!

I know, wonder how many other accounts they had between them to vote for Sarah!

I’m suprised we still have access to the GP section actually, I kinda want Lissa to revoke that ability or ban me so that I can leave now rather than waiting for SS to be over, at least then I won’t feel as bad because it won’t be my fault!

Me neither – that leaves – Karen, Dan and Rosie? And Kittycat, but she’s not very active. And Avie still hasn’t officially left, is that correct? Am I missing anyone?

I’ve asked twice for that thread to be deleted/closed. Seriously, why can’t they just stop?? I’m not angry at the situation anymore, I’m annoyed that they won’t quit!!

And HELLO, stop blaming me. Dear Lissa, YOU’RE the one that brought it up on the forum. THAT’S WHY I PUT IT ON MY WEBSITE, to avoid this crap on the forum.

I’m half-tempted to close the thread, since I still can.

why don’t you? *shrug*

Perhaps I will, since they’re all ignoring me. They’ll probably open it up again, anyway, but I don’t care

Karen closed it, right after I got my last word in…wonder how long my post will remain there? theres no way they are gonna let me have the last word is there? lol

Let’s see how long it takes them to reply, since moderators can still reply when a thread is closed. Of course if they do that, I can still do it as well…

And again, i’m ignored. They didn’t reply to my posts at all …AGAIN.

*sigh*

nothing new in the mod section other than allie suspecting that starlet’s modness is not completly gone.

sorry for closing it.. It was just going in circles though, most people seemed to want it closed… Yeah, Allie thought you still had mod powers because you got a post in before I closed it lol.. I told her you probably just beat me to it though.

If they delete your post I’ll undelete it for you starlet lol

I havn’t even tried, the private forum is no longer there for me but I havn’t tried anything else. If it’s because of that post that karen closed then i swear I just got lucky and posted as Karen was shutting it.

I’d test to see if I do still have any mod powers but I can’t really because if they see me trying things they will think i’m being dodgy!

If it is being discussed feel free to copy & paste this post to them if it’ll help.

Karen, if you didn’t close it than I would have.

I kind of want to post in this “apology” thread, although I don’t have much to say.

You know what would be really fun? If yeeeeaaars down the road, I join again, completely hiding my identity, and they love me so much they make me a moderator. I would die laughing.

I DO still have mod powers, I just tested it out! I swear I didn’t know though (how would I? I can’t acces the mod forum and obviously havnt tried moderating the last few days)

I sent Lissa a PM though!

You do? Strange LOL – I just realised my pm box must have been sized down – I hope there won’t be any questions regarding the groovy SS thing and addresses – because I might not be able to answer them, as the pm’s will have vanished.

Starlet, what was that site again that hides your IP address?

Dan’s comment in the mod section cracked me up.

Mirna showed up and said she would like to step down as moderator because of everything that had happened and Allie said, how do you know? You weren’t here.

Where Dan replied, “Mirna is, however, fully capable of reading.”

I love you, hahaha

how long as Lydia been a super moderator?

I only noticed it a couple days ago, after this all started.

I commented on Lissa’s statement about Allie being a moderator- I corrected her, saying that she’s a super moderator when she uses the other account that she has access to. Lissa used the rolling eyes smilie and said that Lydia has almost always been a supermod and that the account won’t be used for long, only during this “transition” (wtf does that mean?)

LOL @ Dan’s reply hahahha – Lissa forgot to un-mod Mirna so far.
I just realised something awful: Cherchez is on vacation – when she comes back, she will be shattered

Is any of you going to sit in at that 3 o’clock chat thing?

I think Allie signed in as Lydia today to remove Sphere’s link to that screenshot where he could prove that Lissa had removed an entry from Allie’s journal – no links to your own site allowed – SHE can post screenshots, but WE can’t!
Then she forgot to sign in as Allie, and accidentally posted under Lydia’s name – stupid thing to do on a day like today (but that’s exactly the type of thing I could have done).

I plan to- I’ve had the chat open since right before I went to bed last night, so that even if I slept through it (yeah, I sometimes sleep past 3:00 pm heh), I’d have it. I discovered that it doesn’t save everything (just the most recent X number of lines), but I should have gotten part of it at least, and I will be awake for it

I am curious to hear what will be said – although after the explanation thread of today, there is not nearly as much need for that chat I suppose…

I didn’t even know there was a chat, so I guess not. *shrug*

The only indication I’ve seen of anyone being upset over people leaving is Lissa saying that Sphere was a great contribution to the flash forum.

She mentioned me too, when she said that about Sphere, I believe (unless that was edited out). – And she did say that she was unhappy about it to me in that chat.

how does everyone feel about the private threads being made public? (see the comments on Allie’s journal)

she clearly posted bits and pieces- not enough for anyone to get the whole story, so I called her on it. she said that she’s encouraging Lissa to make the threads public so everyone can see for themselves, and she said that her screenshots were based on Angela’s timeline. Angela didn’t say everything that happened and everything that was said out of respect for Lissa and the forum. does Allie not recognize that? I know it must be hard- how can we still have respect for them when they have none for us?

I think all the details are private- but the members do deserve to know what’s going on. I don’t think I said anything that the members shouldn’t know, and I never said anything personal about them, only about the way Allie and to some extent, Lissa, have been handling things. if that’s the only way to get this resolved, then I say let her make them public. (what does it matter to us anyway? we’re leaving)

I’m fine with it

I just saw that Lissa called some of the ex-mods “vindictive asshats”.

such a sweet girl she is.

If the word “asshat” didn’t make me laugh so much, I may be offended.

The members DON’T CARE. They’re dragging this thing out and will only continue making themselves look bad. That’s why I’m not even responding anymore, because they’re just going to keep on beating this dead horse.

I know that everyone has said that everyone involved has been immature. I honestly can’t see that (I’m probably a bad person , whatever- I’ll deal with that later), because I’m still wrapped up in everything going on.

could someone please (seriously) point out where I’ve been immature or not handled the situation in the best way? I tried to be reasonably civil about things, but I know that I probably should have left certain things alone (like commenting on Allie’s journal)- but right now I just can’t let them make us look bad without saying something. I know we’ve made them look bad, but from my perspective at this moment, they are bad, so I can’t see anything else until this all calms down (and it always takes me a long time to forgive or forget when someone has been disrespectful toward me). I’m sure I have been rude or immature through all this- I’d just like to know where so that I can address those things before this gets even more out of hand.

I just posted this in the mod forum:

“Since I still have access here, I’ll post this comment here:

This issue is done and over with. The members don’t care anymore, so why continue beating a dead horse? If you want the forum to go back to “happy LEIA,” then stop bringing up these negative issues.

I’m over it. Most of the former moderating staff is over it. I please ask for you to get over it as well.”

I do hope I’m not the only one that thinks this way, otherwise that last paragraph is completely wrong. haha

I wasn’t thinking of specific people when I said we were being immature, but we all handled the situation in a stupid way, IMO. My part of it is over, and looking back upon the last few days I see we all acted like children. Now we’re trying to prove to the members who is right. WTF is this? It’s so stupid.

“I’m over it. Most of the former moderating staff is over it. I please ask for you to get over it as well.”

THANK YOU. BOWS.

I’m so over it too…

Lissa agrees, so hopefully that means this thing will END already.

Yeah I am kinda over it, but I am concerend that Allie is continuing it…how many times has she either directly or indirectly insulted us publically over the last few days, I know next time she makes a snidey comment I’ll get rilled up again.

So my final post in that ‘explanation’ thread still stands, if it’s to be dropped then it needs to be dropped and Lissa needs to control her mother also.

I won’t be attending the chat, unless something gets leaked here that is so interesting I can’t resist.

That’s why I posted that thread in the mod forum – I didn’t say any names, but it was really directed at Allie

nothing much is happening- but she isn’t really addressing the real issues. she keeps insisting that the people that deleted those posts knew they had been restored already, which I don’t believe, but she’s checking on it (someone may have posted in that thread then deleted them).

I still think she’s kind of a moron and changing everything up- she said that people never know how to act on a different forum. isn’t that why there’s a rules thread? up until now it’s never been a problem, and people haven’t gotten away with stuff just because they hadn’t read them (“oh I’m sorry officer, I didn’t know. I didn’t look at those speed limit signs” would never fly)…

Doesn’t sound like I am missing much, I imagine most of the nasty stuff she is saying is being saved for PMs though!

who signed up at LEIA with the nickname ‘(not_a_member)’?
So is anything going on in that chat?

B.t.w., I don’t want to go there too often, if one of you sees any questions being asked about the SS thing in GP – would you please let me know?

It all became clear to me after something Sarah said, I should have saved it so I could direct quite, but basically she says a moderator was mean to her (one of US, a regular active mod) and called her ugly and a bitch, so she was too scared of the forum to post.

She must have brought it up to her mum recently for some reason so the whole thing is about making the forum ‘sarah friendly’ – the intention as you said Marianne probably was just to get rid of one or two of us (the ones that allegedly said it) but it backfired.

Also, we are getting replace asap…they are already deciding how many they need and who will being asked.

I saved it- I was still too paranoid about them trying to change anything or censor it, so I saved my own copy

[Lil Sarah] 4:41 pm: a few of you i’ve never had encounters with
[Lil Sarah] 4:41 pm: but there are a few i have in mind
…
[Lil Sarah] 4:41 pm: who have made fun of me, told me that they didn’t like my appearane, told me i am cocky, and so forth
[Lil Sarah] 4:41 pm: which is one of the reasons why i’m not here
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[starlet] 4:43 pm: So in truth…your mums inital speech about ‘kids being scared to post here’ wasn’t about random members, or hypothetical members….it was about you?
…
[Lil Sarah] 4:44 pm: NONONO starlet

I cut out the stuff that was obviously irrelevant (byes and things)

I’m still not sure about what to do. they (Allie, Lissa, and Sarah) said some bad things, but so did we. Lissa said that there were some mods that she wouldn’t want back. I’d like to know who they are, and if I’m included, but I doubt she’ll ever say or at least tell the people that she WOULD want back.

If I do stay, I’ll still resign as a mod, and I don’t think I’d be as active (not that I’ve been all that active for a while now). I think I’d even post in the introduce yourself forum and try to start fresh… but that’s if I stay. I didn’t like the way Lissa said that some peoples’ true colors showed- she should know that we all got caught up in the recent events, and nobody was acting completely rational. it sounds like she has been wanting to get rid of people for a while.

I can’t really respect Lissa, if she had problems about the way the forum was being run…well she was the one running it and there is no way we can’t be blamed because she was too ‘shy’ to say anything about it. As I said in the chat, if only Lissa had had the balls to tell us there was problems, rather than leaving it up to a tactless stranger.

i’m thinking that lissa and her mom had already talked about changing things and lissa left on vacation and then her mom just decided to get a head start on things. Isn’t that possible?

Of course, it wasn’t handled properly.

I told lissa i was staying for now. I want to see how this goes to be honest.

Fair enough Rosey, I can only hope that if anything this has made them realise they need to treat the ones who decide to stay a little better

She posted the ‘transcript’ – most of it, though obviously biased was pretty ok.

I did object to everyone asking about ‘if the mods apologise, can they come back?’ but not a single person asked about if Lissa or Allie were going to apologise to us I really don’t want people to take sides, but it’s like…does NO ONE think we were treated badly too?

Also she made it clear she is in charge, not Allie…so her conversation with Marianne was pretty much all bs. She can’t have it both ways, it’s either ‘Mum wasn’t doing anything I wouldn’t’ or it’s ‘I hate her online, she’s ruining things!!”

I was briefly thinking about asking that.. but it sounds a bit weird coming from me lol.

when I post to say that I’m resigning (what I’m waiting for, I really don’t know- I guess I’m still clinging because I’ve been there for so long, it is hard to let go no matter what happens), I think I’m going to apologize for at least one thing in particular that I said (accusing Allie of using Sarah’s name)- but I will explain why I jumped to that conclusion, because of the trust issues, and I’m going to make it clear that I’m NOT apologizing for speaking my mind, because there needs to be communication between the administrator(s) and moderators, that’s one of the big reasons everything blew up.

I do suppose from the members point of view they didn’t see any of the really bitchy comments from Allie, so don’t know quite how much she should apologise.

Dan you should stay, according to that ‘chat’ there is going to be mod contents (what that means I do not know, I surely wouldn’t have wanted to compete against you lot) where you get actual tangible crap!

I don’t believe it for a second, I think the whole thing, even the big Q+A is just them trying to keep the forum active and busy and make sure people stay.

I just can’t wait for SS to be over so I can take a break from even visiting as a guest for a while, I am kinda getting offended that no one (even when it was all polite and not arguey) stuck up for us and even someone (i think it was Sophie) just said ‘oh LEIA might even be better now’ – and I don’t want to get upset/offended anymore by that place.

367 comments, this post will kill my popularity hack cos no other entry will ever compare to this haha

Oh and…I really missed modding LEIA for the first time tonight because something happened that I wanted to tell some people about, but not everyone…first port of call normally would obviously be to tell you guys in the mods section!

(I was going to say, kitty.nu…wonder where the inspiration for that layout came from!)

bitch lol

I just got this PM from Lissa:

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Hey Dan,

Due to the recent events on the forum, I really have no choice but to ask you step down from the position of moderator. I believe that this will be the best for the forum, and also for you – you have stated your dislike for the forum a number of times, and to be honest, I don’t want anyone to feel like they are obligated to stay here. This just seems like the appropriate time to inform you, I really appreciate all of the hard work and dedication you have given to the forum and also to me. Good luck in college, I know your major is one of the most difficult out there.

Lissa [heart smilie]

—

I was planning to resign, but now that she’s asked me to, I almost don’t want to give her the satisfaction. I don’t want her to think like I’m doing it only because she wants me to.

and when did I say I disliked the forum? if I did at all (there, I know I’ve said it to Angela and probably a couple other mods), it was once, not “a number of times”. and if I truly disliked it, I wouldn’t have continued hanging around. gah.

WHAT A FUCKING BITCH.

before I could respond to the PM or post in the mods section, she changed me to a regular member.

that’s it. I’m going to post in Chat saying she did so and i’ll be gone.

no. after posting that I reconsidered. is it worth possibly causing more trouble? I think people should know that even after she acts all nice, she still shows no respect for me. if I went days without saying anything to her, I could see going ahead and doing it. but to change my account in a matter of minutes, without letting me address it at all? I don’t think that’s right at all.

but at the same time I don’t want to be the cause of more problems. she’d be all over that, and she would make me look like the bad guy.

why must this be so difficult?

You should have a thread to say you left if you want, we all did.

Just keep it polite, inform people you are no longer a moderator and make sure to get a dig in somewhere about it being an ‘admin choice rather than your own’ and have Angela update the page on her site and make sure it says

Sacked: Dude128

I wonder if Karen and Rosey will be sacked too, no offense to them (mwah) but I don’t see why they shouldnt be if you were.

I just typed out a leaving thread (as if I were ready to post it) with everything I want to say to Allie, Lissa, and the forum. I didn’t post it there, because I know that it will only cause more drama. I want you all to see it, though. I think I’ll tone it down somewhat and post it later, probably tomorrow (if I’m not banned first- which is a possibility at the rate things are going). I know it’s childish, I know it will only cause problems, and I know that they’ll dispute everything I say. but I really do think that people should know what happened- I still don’t think that anyone outside of us got the full story. Lissa and Sarah claimed that all this was a misunderstanding, that there is no problem with respect. Lissa didn’t deomonstrate that to me, when she didn’t even allow me to respond to her private message before getting rid of me as a moderator. I was prepared to post in the mods forum saying that I had planned to resign and all that- but not being allowed to was just a slap in the face.

here’s the post I wrote (yeah, it’s pretty bad):

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I just wanted to inform everyone that I will be leaving.

With everything going on, I didn’t want to stay, but I was waiting it out for everything to settle down before saying so. If everything was resolved, I would have considered staying. As of this afternoon I planned to resign, but perhaps stay on the forum, or at least visit once in a while. However, I didn’t confirm that with Lissa because I still didn’t want to let go- I have been a member here for more than 4 and a half years, and coming here had become a habit.

A short time ago, I received a private message asking me to step down as a moderator. This was something that I planned to do. Before receiving that message, I had every intention of posting a thread in the moderators forum with a commentary, but I wanted to make sure I knew what I was going to say and how, so that it would sound the way I intended it, to avoid any further problems. Before I had a chance to do that or even respond to the private message, however, my status as a moderator was removed. Clearly a lack of respect was present- which was disputed- and it still is.

I was planning to apologize for at least one thing I said, and I planned to go back over the threads concerning the matter to see if there were any other places where I was clearly out of line. I can’t do that now because I do not have access to those threads, and I don’t want to. I wanted to do my best to correct the situation as much as I could, then drop it, because of the reasonably pleasant way that the situation was handled earlier today. Now I see that there is still no respect, so I do not feel that showing as much as I would have liked to would be appropriate.

I also wanted to make it clear that I am not apologizing for speaking my mind. Everyone involved got caught up in the situation, so it probably could have been handled in a better way. However, I will not apologize for standing up for myself or for the moderators or for the members. They have all been like another family for me. Part of the issue was a lack of communication between administrators and moderators, which I believe was present because of the lack of respect for the moderators. We weren’t told about what was going on, and when we wanted to discuss that, one administrator in particular seemed to feel that she could have the last word because she was the authority figure and that what we thought did not matter. I did try to bring up what I felt was wrong and discuss the matter. I can’t apologize for doing that. I wanted communication.

I hope that the members who are staying will continue to stand up for themselves. Clearly this issue was not just a misunderstanding. The moderators felt that we were not respected, but we were told repeatedly that we just misunderstood the posts and actions of the administrator that the problems started with, that she never meant them that way. Obviously we were right. We were told that Lissa would have been better off if some of us had left earlier. We saw two sides of Lissa- the one that said she was sad to see so many people go, and the other that said she wanted us gone. I personally saw that she didn’t even have enough respect for me to allow me to respond to her private message, or to post in the private forum. I would expect her to change my status if I didn’t respond for days- but it was literally minutes after I read the message that I was removed as a moderator.

I hope that the administrator that got this situation started is satisfied. She got rid of the moderators that her daughter wanted gone, and most of the others. I suppose it’s not fair to say that she never communicated with any of the moderators. She was the one that brought it to my attention that I am not respected here- and the other posts in threads that her actions triggered made that explicitly clear.

I know this will be twisted around, if it isn’t deleted. I felt that I owed it to the members to let them know what happened, because it could happen again. I have enough respect for all of you to say something. Now it’s up to the administrator to decide if she wants there to be communication about this- to see if she has enough respect for all of you for that to happen.

i don’t know why lissa keeps saying that you have said that you aren’t happy with the forum. I must be missing something somewhere. Isn’t that why she is changing things? Because she is unhappy with the “atmosphere” there?

i didn’t get a pm and no one told us you were “leaving” either. Nothing new in the mod section sicne 7pm.

I’m half and half here: sometimes i’m clinging like dan was and other times, i want to stay just so i can see what’s going down and what’s being said.

i think that is tacky to remove you within a few minutes without even giving you time to respond.

I think that was probably the worst part- I was almost over everything, and I was starting to believe that maybe this all WAS just a misunderstanding that got way out of hand- but then she didn’t show me enough respect to let me say something. it was a slap in the face. she just continues to show that we were right in the first place- we got/get no respect. there was a read receipt thing on the PM. I clicked cancel, because I wanted to let it sink in and post my resignation thread first, so that she wouldn’t think I was doing it at her suggestion. my guess is that she saw that I was reading a PM, so she knew I got it. but still- any decent person would allow me to reply to it or let me post something like the others did before she gets rid of me.

I also thought of something- I dug around to find Viki’s resource thread. maybe she assumed that I was up to no good (while I was just retrieving its contents so that Viki’s work didn’t go to waste), so she wanted to see to it that I couldn’t get to that stuff any more. If that’s the case, I don’t care. Viki, it’s not your fault for asking me to do it- I wanted to help, it was perfectly innocent, and your efforts shouldn’t be wasted just because she’s ungrateful.

I’ll be going to sleep soon (I need to get up and start my shopping tomorrow heh), and hopefully my head will clear somewhat by tomorrow. I’ll post my thread (toned down, although I don’t know to what extent- I do want people to know but I don’t want to be childish or seem like I’m intentionally causing problems- input on the rant that I posted would be appreciated) tomorrow and be done with that place. I would still like to know if anything is said in the mods forum, though

also- obviously Lissa did have some problem with me. if anyone can think of anything at all that I did wrong at any point while I was a member there, please point it out to me. I know that my sense of humor is generally very sarcastic, and I need to work on toning it down and thinking more about how it could come across when it’s only in text like on the forum- but I don’t think that can be all of it. if it isn’t, then I’m at a loss as to what it is, honestly- and I would like to know what I did, however bad it is, so that I can work on fixing it. if people have a problem with me, I don’t want the same problems to carry over anywhere else that I may go, to avoid anything like this in the future. I trust all of you here, and I hope that you’ll be honest. if I don’t know what I did, I’m going to continue doing it without realizing it- which I don’t want. if you still don’t feel comfortable saying something here, feel free to IM me (AIM: DanIsCool128), e-mail me (drs128@gmail.com), PM me at Sway Forum, whatever. thanks

and for the record, I don’t think I’ve ever had any problems with any of you. so if Lissa does, then I don’t know what her problem is

Again, I say: WOW
To address your last paragraph, Dan, I only ever read the mods forum, the flash forum (obviously), Chat, GP and EGP and I usually skipped all the othes – so if it is something you said there, I won’t have seen it anyway. The part of you that I did see was someone with a sense of humour that I, for one, can appreciate, someone with a great deal of courage, especially when it comes to sharing private and painful experiences sometimes, and someone I liked seeing online, you were definitely one of the mods I don’t wish to lose touch with.
If there had ever been a time where you said something that I think you shouldn’t have, I would be honest about it (I think from my numerous posts here, and all the things I’ve said at LEIA over the years, you guys know that I would rather be honest and risk stepping on anyone’s toes, than to lie about anything – it’s not always appreciated, but that’s the way I am).
I always thought you were a far better and more tactful mod than I could ever be (that was one of the reasons I never asked to mod a forum like chat!). So I have no idea what she is talking about whatsoever.
And I cannot believe she treated you that way – JEEZ!

After typing all of that, I think I might know why. If I’m wrong, then it is horrible of me to say this, but… Starlet may remember this also:
Back in the days when Apples was an active member, there was once a thread in the mods section, started by Apples about a (male) member who had mentioned he wished he had a boyfriend – Apples felt homosexuality was ‘dirty’ and that it was definitely not something that went hand in hand with Christianity. Sheila said something like not washing for five days was ‘dirty’ and that her brother was both gay and a good catholic so what was the problem. There was a looooong discussion then, with Sheila, Starlet and me saying that homosexuality was just a preference people happened to have, not a choice, and that it would be very hard to live against one’s nature – etc. etc. – it went on for ages. Lissa stayed out of it mostly, but she did state somewhere that she always thought it was a choice. Around the same time, I had some chats with her about politics, and I said I hated Bush for various reasons, but one of them was that he was homophobic, and then again she expressed her disrespect for people who were gay. She was still very young then (maybe 15, I don’t know) – so I figured at that age, lots of people are homophobic and she’d grow out of it.
MAYBE she hasn’t. You haven’t exactly kept your preference a secret – it could explain the mystery here. I so hope I’m wrong about this and that she HAS grown out of it. Her parents and herself are dedicated republicans though…

In addition, Marianne, apparently Allie is a good Christian woman. (If so, where was she when I was the only one defending our side in chat? but anyway…)

Dan, I would try to make your “leaving” thread as unbiased as possible. I’d take out anything that even remotely sounds like an attack. Post your feelings, say what happened with the PM thing, and try not to add many other details. You know they’ll jump on anything.

As a side note, can anyone see EGP? Either the forum is gone or I’ve been removed. And if I’m just removed, I really want my stuff out of there, then.

And another thing – Rosey, since you still have access, has there been any response to my “okay” thread in the private forum?

the EGP looks as if it has vanished – but yeah, could be I have no access now. Since most people – except for Lissa and Rosey who were sharing their inmost secrets in that forum have now left or been kicked out of modship, it makes sense if the entire EGP forum was removed.
I just read that multi-chat thing from yesterday – Lissa said about me:
marianne told me she wasn’t leaving after her thread, but I guess she changed her mind
This is what I said in that chat, regarding leaving:

dutchpaint: if Adrienne is removed from her admin position, and you would want me to come back, I would consider,
dutchpaint: so do you want me to come back?
i b e l i s s y: of course!
dutchpaint: then I think I will, since really Allie was my problem, and not you or anyone else
dutchpaint: I think I will come back – but if Adrienne ever throws this in my face like she did with Sheila ‘you’ve left and come back’ – then I will be out of there for good
dutchpaint: perhaps I should sleep on this for a few days – it’s 11 pm here, my judgement is not at it’s peak anyway hehe

-to me that sounds like I was considering (which I was), leaning towards staying, but okay. Now for her remark ‘I guess she changed her mind’… in the post in the mods forum where I told them I was now definitely leaving, I wrote:

I’ve thought about this a lot.
After I quit two days ago, Lissa and I talked about this, and I promised I would think about it.
In the day that followed, several things happened, for one, quite a few of the mods left as well – I guess they were a big part of what I liked about this forum, they (and you, Lissa), feel a bit like family I guess, and this place won’t be the same without them.
So with them gone, I don’t think I will want to stay.
But also, things Allie has said since then, the way she reacted to everything, I dunno – I guess I really don’t want to be a moderator in any place that’s she’s a moderator in. Strange, because I really liked her offline personality, but I have no respect for her online one…

Soooo I think she knows I changed my mind, and she knows perfectly well WHY I changed my mind…

that’s my little rant for the moment….

b.t.w., Christopher in chat – which Christopher is that, chrisdb, or Lissa’s bf, and is he a mod now?

Angela: nothing in the mod forum since last night 7pm still. I’ll let you guys know. I hope that they wouldn’t bash you guys that have left.
Why were you removed from the EGP? That makes no sense.
I have no mod powers from EGP either.

Dan: like marianne said, i think you were one of the more tactful ones too. I don’t see why she treated you like that. I would hope it’s not because she’s homophobe.

Actually, when I read that this morning I didn’t realise exactly what they were talking about, but Lissa has probably seen this thread:

http://www.swaymyway.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=44

sooooooo the EGP is still there? Maybe we’re just not groovy enough now that we’ve left?

I kind of want to say “remove my threads from EGP” but they probably won’t even bother. Whatever.

Dan, after I went to bed last night I thought about me asking you to get that thread for me and that it might have been to do with it Though I think you got your ‘sacked’ PM only minutes after that? Or was it a bit longer?

If that helped, I’m really sorry

As for your attitude, as I said in chat you are sarcastic and you know it…but no more so than some of the rest of us and some of the members…perhaps you could have done with a ‘Hey please try be nicer’ from Lissa, but nothing of the epic proportion of which she speaks!

Should I ask her about threads being removed? I didn’t use EGP too much, but I did post all sorts in the mods section I don’t want the ‘New mods’ to be able to swoop in and read! I’d also be tempted to tell her she ought to explain Dan’s apparent ‘problem’ a bit better because the word homophobic has started being suggested.

I think they added me to that miserable users group, fucking bitches.

View as a guest, no problem…fast loading pages, same as same as, login and it takes 5 minutes for every page to load, if it loads at all, mostly I get 404s and error messages!

They so did.

How am I meant to do secret Santa now? I’m gonna have to ask one of you lot to post my stuff for me and send me mine (even as a geust you can’t see URLs so I can’t see what anyone else got either)

That really stinks, Starlet I think they are angry because you’ve re-opened your forum and so many LEIA people are joining. they probably think you’re trying to benefit, they probably don’t realise we begged you to re-open it.
As for the things in the mods forum – I think Lissa will purge everything there? She did so several times before, when new people were being invited in there. Now there’s so much garbage in there, I doubt she’ll want new mods to find out all the details…

I really hope that’s not the reason. and thanks, guys.

something just doesn’t add up. she asked me to be a mod in April of 2003 (I still had the PM), never said a word to me about changing anything, and even added me as a friend on facebook. I don’t know if she had a problem before now, or if she just wants to get rid of me because of something I said over the last few days, or if she just wants to get rid of me because she figures she might as well start fresh (although the fact that she hasn’t done anything to Marie or Karen suggests otherwise)

I checked the times. I posted a copy of your thread at Sway Forum at 11:30, so I must have started getting the stuff a little bit before that (maybe 10 minutes, at most), and I got her PM at 11:30 also. either she did see and wrote it quickly (or had it and sent it right away because of that), or it’s unrelated. as I already said, it wasn’t your fault. even if that’s the “reason”, I didn’t do anything wrong. and anyway, I’d much rather do something to help you than to stick around there and help her.

I don’t have access to EGP either. I would have thought that it was removed, as someone else said, because the majority of its members are gone. I want my stuff removed too.

I haven’t had the “miserable users” problems- yet- but I also haven’t spent a lot of time there. if she did add any of us to that, she’s even more of a bitch than I/we thought, because that’s just nasty.

I’m definately on it, i’m logged in on Gav’s name now with no problems but as soon as I am logged in as me I can’t do anything. This REALLY sucks, I was going to just post my stuff in SS under his name and be all ‘This is Starlet, i cant post under my own name for *cough* some reason *cough*’ but what’s the fucking point? I just sent her a PM instead, I doubt she’ll even reply and just add his name to miserable users too

This is the PM i sent her:

Hey, it’s Starlet on my boyfriends username.

Could you please remove me from the Miserable users group? Pete knows why you think it necessary to put me on it in the first place. but as I have said publically my intetion is to stick around for Secret Santa and then leave, for a while at least any way…so if you could remove me from it, even if it’s only for today, so I can post my stuff and recieve mine.

I also wanted to ask you about removing some posts made by me and other people but I guess that is out of the question since you are not ‘playing nice’ with me.

Sucks you don’t even want me around after over 5 years, I suppose I can understand it somewhat, but please…the least you can do is let me see out my obligations to SS.

the start fresh theory sounds plausible – but indeed, why keep Marie and Karen then?
She must know about the Swayer’s forum by now, and she must have seen who joined – I think she feels betrayed because of it – then again, I really can’t read her.

good pm, Starlet – wonder if she’ll bother to answer though…

Haha Allie is now answering Flash-related questions – that will be a challenge for her – Internet-savvy or not!

Lissa is on AIM now but is ignoring me.

Dan, perhaps I’m part of the reason you got the boot? Or, the ex-mod group as a whole?

I’ve always had bad vibes from Allie, and I don’t know why. She could have hated me from the start but who even cares now. Regardless, she must know that you and I are fairly close, or even that you talk to the other ex-mods as well, and they probably don’t want anything leaking. I mean, yeah, you’d read something in the private forum and then come back and tell us. I don’t know why they wouldn’t boot Marie & Karen, but maybe they don’t see as much of a connection there.

I think it’s a matter of time before they both get booted too?

So do any of you know: the Christopher that was in that group chat thing, which Christopher is that?

That was her boyfriend, not ‘nice’ Chris haha

I spoke to Lissa on AIM, she didn’t say anything really interesting or new…except for that she will prune both the over 21 forum and Private forum and that she DID thank me because apparently it’s down to her that my site is semi-popular, hahaha.

i b e l i s s y: Hi there! I removed you; I thought I was going to be awake earlier..
i b e l i s s y: didn’t want you to cause any trouble
swaymywaydotcom: lol what do you think I am going to do?
i b e l i s s y: What you’ve already done, have you read your posts?
i b e l i s s y: They’re not exactly nice.. and untrue also
swaymywaydotcom: Yeah I was a bitch yesterday, but felt most of that was sorted after the ‘chat’ and everyone had calmed down and backed down
i b e l i s s y: I’m glad
swaymywaydotcom: nothing untrue about what I said, with the exception of maybe the PM issue, that is just a suspision rather than a fact
i b e l i s s y: And the fact that I never thanked you
swaymywaydotcom: You didn’t? Sorry if I missed it but all I got was the email notification of your reply to the post where I told you I was leaving and you didn’t say it there.
i b e l i s s y: You know how I thanked you? You have people who read your site.. years ago when I would sign the guestbooks of everyone who signed mine, I would go there, and you would be there first, stalking my guestbook
i b e l i s s y: Alright, no big deal
i b e l i s s y: But you have had so much traffic from my site, who isn’t gonna look at the Supermod’s site?
i b e l i s s y: I thanked you in your I quit thread too!
i b e l i s s y: What am I suposed to do, fall on my internet knees and beg? I know you’re not happy!
swaymywaydotcom: Not that I saw, remember please I don’t have access and only got that one email notification, heres what it said.
swaymywaydotcom: Well I’m glad I didn’t get any better. I’ll fix it as soon as I get to the
admincp

You all talk like you’re soo sorry that you can’t moderate anymore. Quit it.
Allie is a moderator, but it’s apparantly not good enough. Mistakes happen on
everyone’s part, but apparantly 4 days of misunderstanding is enough to make you
leave.
***************

i b e l i s s y: Oh please, all you said was “I can still get into the private forum”
i b e l i s s y: AND
i b e l i s s y: hold on you said “I still have mod powers”
swaymywaydotcom: huh? I couldn’t get into the private forum since…yeah
i b e l i s s y: sorry
i b e l i s s y: BUT you said you only opened and closed a thread – but you had time to post your “last opinion”
swaymywaydotcom: I did still have mod powers, but the mods forum became ‘unseeable’ to me right after you initially demoted me
i b e l i s s y: While it was open.. when it wasn’t supposed to
i b e l i s s y: be in the first place
swaymywaydotcom: yeah cos I still had mod powers but I didnt know that, look at the times…I was posting my reply as karen was posting hers and closing the thread
swaymywaydotcom: then Karen said you were talking, suspecting I still had them
swaymywaydotcom: so I tested, open and closed that thread to see if I did and then I let you know immediately
i b e l i s s y: ?
i b e l i s s y: I would have deleted the post if I were you, considering it shouldn’t have been there
swaymywaydotcom: but at that point I didnt know I had mod powers still
i b e l i s s y: Afterwards you did X)
swaymywaydotcom: my first action on finding out was to let you know
i b e l i s s y: and thank you for that
swaymywaydotcom: I didn’t give that post another thought to be honet
i b e l i s s y: I noticed
swaymywaydotcom: though even if I had I don’t think i would have removed it because I think me doing ‘mod things’ when I wasnt supposed to wouldnt have been appreciated.
i b e l i s s y: exactly
swaymywaydotcom: So wheres the problem? I found out I could still do stuff, told you, didn’t touch anything
swaymywaydotcom: if we both agree, where’s the issue?
swaymywaydotcom: it isn’t my fault you didn’t set the permission correctly in fairness
i b e l i s s y: You said that you shouldn’t be doing things with mod powers, you never would have posted in the first place if you didn’t have powers..
i b e l i s s y: But this really isn’t an issue
i b e l i s s y: haha yeah I guess you’re right with that one
swaymywaydotcom: Ok
swaymywaydotcom: and in case you didnt notice im not even responding to the ‘you made my site popular’ thing
swaymywaydotcom: thank you for removing me from miserable users
i b e l i s s y: haha
i b e l i s s y: Well I think the thing is.. the moderators think they made my site what it is
i b e l i s s y: The forum is barely 1% of traffic
i b e l i s s y: They are so awesome
i b e l i s s y: and I appreciate them so much
i b e l i s s y: But you were mad because you thought I made money off of you guys
i b e l i s s y: (in your blog)
i b e l i s s y: Bringing new members in will make me maybe $1
i b e l i s s y: if that
swaymywaydotcom: I wasn’t mad, I hope you make a small fortune…I know you think people like Dan and Angela were haters before this whole thing, but didn’t know you thought I was
i b e l i s s y: Allie isn’t in charge of the forum, which you seem adament to make real
i b e l i s s y: “Bare in mind also that the ‘new leia’ is all about bringing in new members and increasing activity so that money can be made, regardless of if the long standing members are kept happy or not.”
swaymywaydotcom: I still believe she is, I read your private chat with Marianne remember.
i b e l i s s y: Hahhaa
swaymywaydotcom: Yeah the NEW LEIA, under Allie…nothing about in the past.
i b e l i s s y: There is a new LEIA
i b e l i s s y: There’s no choice
i b e l i s s y: All of the moderators left
swaymywaydotcom: and I hope it’ll do well No where have you seen any of the mods try and get people to leave or anything, infact we were encouraging people to stay!!
i b e l i s s y: I mean with the exception of Rosey Karen and Marie (who doesn’t even know what’s going on)
swaymywaydotcom: and Kittycat is staying I’m sure Cherchez will too as you two are ‘tight’ (to use an ameirican phrase lol)
i b e l i s s y: Well after the fiasco with marie I think we’d have to be, I talked to her so much
i b e l i s s y: haha:P
swaymywaydotcom: From adding me to miserable users and this chat, i get the impression you think I’m all bitter and what not
i b e l i s s y: Have you.. erm.. read your latest posts?
swaymywaydotcom: I really am not, yesterday I was a bitch, but it was the fact you never even thanked me that caused that
i b e l i s s y: I mean since yesterday
swaymywaydotcom: ^
swaymywaydotcom: after that, reading the chats and a qucik chat with sarah I chilled and just decided to forget it and move on
i b e l i s s y: The reality of the situation is what’s done is done
i b e l i s s y: You were mad about that a few days ago
swaymywaydotcom: you don’t owe me anything, not even a thank you so so what.
i b e l i s s y: When I was still trying to sort out everything
i b e l i s s y: So, when I’m ridiculously busy trying to defend myself
i b e l i s s y: All of the I quit threads kind of mush together
i b e l i s s y: The 21st in the afternoon
swaymywaydotcom: but as I said on my blog everyone who was leaving told you in the mods forum and you did respond to them all (if only to say ‘OK, done’) you could have said it then
i b e l i s s y: So you looked through each individual thread
i b e l i s s y: Looked for my name
swaymywaydotcom: although you say you did say it in the private forum? Perhaps forgetting ‘we’ didn’t have access any more!
i b e l i s s y: Because I definitely wasn’t that attentive
i b e l i s s y: I didn’t make you a non-mod until a few hours after you said it
swaymywaydotcom: in the mods forum? there was only one thread, the one where you asked us to let you know if we were staying or not
i b e l i s s y: and!
i b e l i s s y: I asked all of you to PM me
i b e l i s s y: what did everyone do – I got one PM from Karen
swaymywaydotcom: Literally seconds after I posted my ‘leaving’ I couldnt see the mods forum any more
i b e l i s s y: However, you told earlier in the mods forum
swaymywaydotcom: well, that was obviously just an oversight..you know what people are like, don’t read things properly lol
swaymywaydotcom: yeah that’s what I mean, after I posted it in the mods forum I instantly couldnt see it any more
swaymywaydotcom: I got the email notifaction of your response and that was my last ‘insight’ into the mods section
swaymywaydotcom: so assumed you replied and then did the deed
i b e l i s s y: That must have been someone else who I waited for then
swaymywaydotcom: Anyway! One last thing i’d like to ask you if I may
i b e l i s s y: Go for it
swaymywaydotcom: there are some posts some poeple are a bit worried about, Dan and Angela especially posted a lot of personal things in the ‘Even groovier people’ section…any chance you could remove them?
i b e l i s s y: yeah
swaymywaydotcom: Ditto for the mods section, that was where I posted all of my ‘personal’ and private stuff
i b e l i s s y: have you spoken to marianne? i didn’t know if she wanted hers deleted too
swaymywaydotcom: so perhaps a mass prune before the new guys come in?
i b e l i s s y: yeah i was gonna do that
i b e l i s s y: with the private forum
i b e l i s s y: I guess I could do that with 21+ too
i b e l i s s y: since none of em are active
swaymywaydotcom: Marianne hasn’t mentioned any thing about it, but i’d guess she does want it gone…yeah, I think us guys made up 90% of over 21 section anyway didnt we? lol
swaymywaydotcom: Right well, ok thanks for being understanding about that
i b e l i s s y: lol yeah
i b e l i s s y: Oh it’s no problem, I was going to ask them personally anyway
i b e l i s s y: but that makes it easier, thanks ;P
swaymywaydotcom: As I have said, my intention is to do secret santa, wish everyone a Merry Christmas and then stop posting, so you can ‘miserable user’ me again then if you wish!
i b e l i s s y: haha
i b e l i s s y: as long as you’re good it’ll be fine
swaymywaydotcom: I will stll be lurking as a guest though, just so you don’t see my IP and think ‘ooh look at her snooping’ or anything
swaymywaydotcom: and you may see my logged in sometimes in case I need to click links and whatnot.
swaymywaydotcom: Take care xxx
i b e l i s s y: you too

That transcript doesn’t look awful. I mean, yeah, we all threw around some nasty remarks but it seems we’re pretty much over it. Finally.

I feel I should thank her, or something for pruning that forum… although I guess technically I shouldn’t know that she is

I’d still like to know what the situation with me is/was, out of curiosity if nothing else- but at this point I don’t care very much. the final lasting impression of Lissa that I have is that she’s rude, ungrateful, and a nasty person. not only because of what happened, but the way she handled everything, right down to not allowing me a response before getting rid of me. I know I’m just being a bastard now, but I also doubt that she would have contacted anyone personally about the threads in that forum. if she did, I doubt she would have waited for a response, because her opinion about what should be done is so valuable that she doesn’t even need our input. ok, I’m done being a total ass (but expect a partial ass in the future).

if she really cared, she could PM me and wait for some recognition that I read it, or e-mail, or IM, or hell, she could have called me- my cell phone number is in my facebook profile. I’m thoroughly convinced that she just doesn’t care about any of us.

and what kind of trouble were you causing, Viki? of all the stuff you said I don’t think there was anything worse or as bad as what anyone else said. and you wouldn’t have such a loyal following if it weren’t for your site and your content. let her believe that she brought you success- she’s probably full of herself anyway.

this is really minor, but I also doub that she gets as little traffic from the forum as she claims. with all the page views from so many threads and everything- I just don’t see how there could be so many people needing to learn HTML to offset that. but whatever.

also because I don’t care- I’m thinking of posting the leaving thread intact (well, after changing the relative times to yesterday and whatnot). I re-read it today, and while it does criticize Lissa and Allie a lot, I don’t think the tone is too bad, because it is really irritating. I probably won’t though, because any criticism at all will just set her off again. granted, posting strict facts probably will too, but there’s not much I can do there, unless i just walk away quietly, which I can’t do.

ok, I need to shower so I can do some shopping- which I’ve been putting off forever now.

I dunno if we do get all that much traffic from her site – I was never too busy as a mod, and the only website I linked to from LEIA is Dutchcats – and that gets like… 3 pageviews a day. Most of them probably do come from LEIA – but still. I make about $1 from Dutchcats (but a lot more from my Dutch university website).
So say your website was clicked ten times as much as mine – that is only a few dozen per day – I reckon you get a lot more visitors than that? Anyway, you probably have a tracker than can tell you where your popularity comes from.

I do know one thing – she may feel she is the cause of your website’s popularity – but you DID a great deal for HER forum, more than any of us – you were a supermod for a reason. You and Sheila – I know you had a lot of time on your hands, but still, I always admired you for spending so much time and effort on a site that wasn’t even your own.
And NOW she’s offering tangible rewards for new mods? She may have to, otherwise only people like googleguy will be queueing up to be a mod.
Or she can simply just allow her relatives and bf to mod for her…
I wonder why she cares how I feel about her pruning the 21+ forum…
After all, I can’t even see it any more, so why would I want that to be saved for anyone to read?

i think her chat with viki was tacky. I have no idea why she hasn’t asked me to leave. I wish i had saved my talk to her yesterday in the chat deal. I was at work though. She didn’t have that kind of attitude with me at all.

I mean here you are telling her that you were being catty and stuff but that’s not good enough? I thought you were very nice and un-attitudy viki.

I can’t believe she said the part about not thanking you because bringing traffic to your site was thanks enough.

wowser.

EGP is still there. Nothing new in mod section.

Oh LEIA brings me a handful of hits a WEEK never mind a day!

Theres no doubt that a lot of my regular visitors come from LEIA (the vast majority do not), but that has nothing to do with her…if i’d posted 20 thousand times over 5 years on ANY message board then i’d have got the same amount (more infact, if it were a board where advertising in sigs and whatnot was allowed) of hits from it and the same amount of friends. That’s what kinda annoyed me about that, maybe people did visit my site because I had the title ‘Supermod’ but it’s not why they stayed or became my friends, is it?

What she was referring to about me ‘Stalking her guestbook’ I absolutely DID, when i first found LEIA i’d only ever visited one personal site in my life before (the link was in a magazine I had read), the LEIA guestbook was the only way I knew of to find others….then when the forum was created I stopped doing that because I didn’t need to anymore. That was back in 1999 for petes sake, does she really think that people who’s guestbooks I signed back then, when I had a site at geocities, still send me hits? She’s insane lol

I also just now realised that when i said “i’m not even responding to that!” she probably thinks becaue I agreed with her rather than the exact opposite. Damn.

I remember visiting your site once in a while because you were active there- but I didn’t start regularly coming here (well, I don’t do it “regularly”, but you get the idea- more often, and coming back) until I got to know you more as a fellow moderator.

she seems to think that she was going us a favor by letting us be moderators. yeah, we got something out of it, but does she not see that we helped her too? how hard is it to say “I’m sorry things worked out this way, thanks for all you’ve done, and see you around”? she doesn’t even have to mean it- I’d be happy with any kind of response at all- but she can’t even go that far.

I’m glad this whole ordeal is almost over. I want to have the last word because I know she’s wrong, but I also want to drop it. on the bright side, I think we’re all closer than ever and Sway Forum seems to be a hit ::hugs you all::

well for me, most of my hits come from psplinks and not from leia. Actually very few come from leia.

She does make it sound like she’s doing us a favor. That’s kinda sad.

Did you read the comment by ‘Marie’ on my ‘sad day’ blog? What was said did’t make much sense but I think I was being acused of being jelous because it isn’t MY site or something?

BUT, that wasn’t Cherchez was it? Is she back in town?

Oh i did…that wasn’t me! just so you know! lol

Not sure that was cherchez, why would she say that?

I didn’t see that comment but looked for it after you mentioned it- it is confusing because it doesn’t make sense. either she was addressing someone other than you, Viki, or it was some odd failed attempt at a sarcastic comment.

from what I got out of it, she thinks you were jealous, that you were upset because you couldn’t run LEIA like you “wanted”

I would check the IP if I were you- it sounds like something that a member of a certain family or a close friend would say. I don’t know about you but I think I would recognize the host name if it was Lissa, Allie, or Sarah. I did enough checking up on those 3 when I was trying to figure out if I could tell if one was posting as the other or anything like that

I’m just catching up on the latest crap that’s been going on. I had no idea about you getting demoted Dan I really don’t see the reason at all. There’s nothing about it in the mod section. I figure that I’ll be next, because I really don’t see why you would get demoted and I wouldn’t. I’m tempted to post about it in the mod section, but I don’t know how I would go about it, or if I even should. Maybe just asking Lissa the reasoning behind it, and if i’m next.

An update about what’s going on in the mod section: nothing.. But lefty’s thread, and a bunch of leaving threads were merged with the thread that was called “lucylane” and the whole thing was renamed to “Drama!” and closed. Lissa’s reply to lefty’s thread was “Exactly… *confused smilie* “

if they were merged, that will make it more difficult for cherchez to figure out what happened when she comes back. I feel kinda sorry for her, I would have absolutely hated if this had happened during MY vacation…

advertising is allowed now.. No thread in the mod section about it.. Allie just started allowing it.

advertising is allowed?

Lissa is probably still reading in here somehow and saw us pointing out LEIA sends practically NO hits. She’s still letting Allie make the announcments though huh?
That’ll help quash everyones (err…mainly mine now I think) theory that Allie IS absoluetly the one in charge there!

Dan, I looked up the IP and it meant nothing to me but i’ll post it for ya, hang on…

152.163.100.202

*giggle*

I should go and plug my site and be all, ‘PLLLLEEEEEASE visit my site, since I stopped posting and am no longer a super mod no one is coming to my site, my site will die without the traffic from LEIA, please come!!!’

Allie didn’t make an announcement, she just randomly let someone advertise in chat.. I asked lissa about it, and she said we’re allowed to in the introduce yourself forum.. thats a good idea in my oppinion, but Allie let someone in chat.

Ah right I see, but as usual the mods were the last to know right? and you even only know because you asked them….they havn’t learnt anything from us all leaving have they!

About Cherchez by the way, I’ve no doubt she will stay/would have been on Lissa’s ‘side’ if she was there…as I said in my chat thing, those 2 are ‘tight’ and unlike Marianne who still came to her own desicion regardless of the friendship I don’t think Cherchez will (that’s not intented as an insult, just a maturity thing)!

I worry about poor Apples, I know she’s only on about once a year now, but when she next goes back she is going to FREAK!

I deleted the thread Allie said was ok *hides*

Frankly, mature or not, I am one to sometimes chose loyalty over common sense in desicions – for example, at work, if the people I like and respect most, my ‘friends’ I guess, have a dispute with other people, and I happen to disagree with my friends, I stay out of the debate altogehter, if not, I join in and defend them. I can’t say I always have an unbiased opinion either, although I do try. However, in this case, because I like and respect you guys so much, I felt loyalty towards both sides, therefore I had to leave the friendship with Lissa out of my judgement.
I am pretty sure at this point the friendship won’t survive – she probably feels betrayed by me – but that’s just how things go sometimes.
I wonder if she received my X-mas card yet (probably not, I was late sending them out) – and how she feels when she does receive it. Internet-wise, it seems like a VERY long time has passed since I mailed it…
I was just thinking about that, and realised I have been sending her X-mas cards for years now, and often (but not this year) even included hagelslag or another small gift – but although she has my address, I don’t think she EVERY sent anything back…

^ i just saw that post in the mod section too Karen. I think because it’s something they are going to implement, they are letting people do it now. Stupid though.

I’m just not going to mod unless it’s porn or something.

That ip is someone in virginia using AOL…ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

http://lissaexplains.com/forum/showthread.php?p=336645#post336645

Is she having a pop at you again there Dan? (or whoever it is that’s looked up their info and whatnot) If so *big eye roll* why can’t she fucking quit it?

could be about lots of things – like Sphere letting them know he knows Allie’s real name, and that he knows their surname to be ‘Singer’ (which is false – so glad I never told him Lissa’s real first name or her family name). What I don’t quite understand is why Sphere keeps helping out at the forum, both the Flash forum and the Dutch part – and I’m a little surprised he was not banned or at least put in the miserable users group, as I feel the things he said were more extreme than anything anyone else said…

Oh that’s what the Singer thing was, I didn’t get it at the time….thought it was something to do with the whole LEIA Idol thing (I wonder if shannon knows about that? – I wasnt around during the drama so dont know all the details, but she basically got driven away after being accused of cheating the vote, right? – i’d be furious if I were her and found out they were the ones doing that all along!)

yeah, I think that was about Sphere… but I know her last name, and it was even in the newspaper articles that I believe she linked to herself…

yeah, that IP didn’t say much, because it could be anyone anywhere.

Shannon didn’t know the details at the time, but she does now – I just figured she’d like to know, so I told her yesterday.

ok who is shannon again? i always forget. i’m old

Sizz
Glad Mirna found the SMW forum too

OH i new that

Either I, too have been put in the miserable users group, or I have been banned, or LEIA is offline at the moment…

it’s okay at the mo, try again?

*is sad*

i think thats petty to ban people like this

*sigh*

it’s working now – apparently it ws offline for a little while, I wasn’t banned. Did you read what she said at Myrna’s blog though? I wonder if she wrote that, or someone posing as her…

oh wowser, i mean i saw mirna putting it but i didn’t realise it was from a comment. i thought maybe it was from like a pm or something. What’s the ip? I’d look it up mirna!

I’ve been visiting LEIA once in a while (sometimes by accident- I’m so used to typing the address when I’m bored, and it’s still in my history so it’s easy to get to) to see if anything else has been said about anything important.

I saw that Arc Angel resigned.

I’m glad that he managed to see what happened, even though he’s not around much, or when it all exploded. does anyone talk to the mods that haven’t left (excluding Marie and Karen)? the only ones left other than Sarah and Allie (if you can call her a mod) are the ones that are never around much, like Beth…

nope, kittycat just said that she stays out of drama and even IF she had had something to say, her staying outness would have won. Basically that’s what she said.

I didn’t see he resigned, i have to go check

ok i saw it…what does lissa mean she would have done that for him soon anyways? And lindsay’s comment, what a …..

what irritates me is that all 3 are all starting new chat threads and so chummy now. Where were the other 2 before?

what I got out of that: she was going to remove him anyway (my guess would be that she would have- if that’s true- because he hasn’t been around in so long). but why would she do that, if that’s the case? she hasn’t removed apples or Beth, as two other examples. and would she have simply removed him, not tried to contact him at all?

and yeah, lindsay’s comment didn’t sit right with me- he could read what was said by everyone (although it’s all a jumbled mess now), and make his own decision. same thing was the case for Mirna. just because I wasn’t alive during the Holocaust doesn’t mean I shouldn’t think that Hitler was bad…

and I don’t mean that as a perfectly parallel example in any way- this isn’t as significant as that and it’s not as trivial as this- just making use of my friend hyperbole

I feel out of the loop… what did Lindsay say?

It’s funny, that’s about the 5th thing now that she was ‘going to do soon anyway’ or similar (sacking Arc Angel). *eye roll*

I just went on, havn’t been on in 3 days and only 4 pages of new threads, 90% being Allie/Sarah/Lissa/Christopher posts OR introduction threads. I’m actually quite suprised us all leaving has made such a difference, I thought truthfully it’d make NO difference at all!

One last thing I am curios about, did Lissa personally thank ANY of us? I think one or two got a thanks in a public thread…but did anyone get a PM or IM or ANYTHING that indicated she might actually be somewhat grateful? Karen and Marie, has she thanked either of you for staying?

no, she didn’t. I guess she’s doing us a favor….

Allie said this in a post :

Thanks for your support of Lissa, thanks for deciding to stay, she really does appreciate the hours and hours you spend helping on the forum.

The thing is, even with all the things that were said, with the ones that ended “amiably”, i don’t think she showed enough appreciation. Even with you viki, you were there for SO long and 20k posts! wow!

I can’t say for sure as I don’t have access there, but I think Lissa thanked me in a reply to the post in the private forum where I said I was leaving – the initial post I made, she never said anything when I told her I was definitely leaving, as far as I know.
I don’t know if she said anything to me in my leaving thread in chat, she might have done – since she merged them all, that thread has become impossible to figure out what’s been said to who.
I think I have been treated with just a little more respect than most of you – probably because they know me in person.

You know, she probably really felt that she was doing us a favour. A lot of people wanted to be mods, but she picked us – I don’t know if she ever stopped to think how much time and energy some of you put into making her site helpful and friendly. It never occurred to me that I was the one who had to be grateful, to be honest…

Isn’t it bad enough that members obsess over post count, and Allie has to bring up the 20K? Even though that’s obviously more than everyone else, and you were insanely helpful in everything, that doesn’t mean you’re any better than anyone else.

In some sick way, I like hearing that the forum isn’t horribly active

Wait, did Allie bring up the 20K? I’m confused now…

This is Nick’s (Arc_Angel) leaving post, for those of you that don’t go there any more (I wasn’t going to go, but after reading Nick left a goodbye post, I got curious)

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…when I hear all my fellow mods have left LEIA.

I don’t frequent LEIA anymore for reasons entirely my own. However, after hearing some of the latest “drama” (as it has been deemed), I wanted to put in one last post and my resignation. I doubt this post will end up anywhere but the trash bin, but at least my concience shall be cleared.

The mods have spent more time and contributed more to this forum than anyone else. Some have been here since this very forum was created. And some, I dare say, have spent more time here than even the founder. They are here answering the same questions over and over, putting up with the same types of rule-breakers, and just generally dealing with crap. This is not to say that LEIA has(had) no merit, quite the contrary is true. They put up with all this, recieving no monetary compensation, because of their love of LEIA.

I do not mean to say that the mods are infallible, incapable of any wrong. I merely want to bring to light all that they have done for this forum and to say that to let such people slip from in between your fingers (in whatever manner) is an error. I do not proclaim to know all that transpired. But I do know the people involved. They are amazing people and good friends.

Anywho, I just wanted to say that I’m dissappointed LEIA management has sunk to this. LEIA used to be such an amazing place…

For the record, I do not consider myself in the same class as the other moderators. I am one of the newest and one of the least helpful. So my previous comments concerning the mods aren’t including myself, how self-absorbed that would be.

Despite all that has happened, I have tried to be as civil as possible discussing the matter. I ask that you do the same should you not agree with me.

Goodbye LEIA.

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I love hearing that too, Angela LOL.
She mainly has her mother and sister posting now – Allie wanted to get rid of us – but she probably didn’t realise she was going to have to do all the posting herself.
You know, if I was Lissa, I would be really upset with the current situation.
Oh well.
She has added me to the miserable users group, b.t.w.

Wow.. I really admire Nick’s leaving post. He has a lot of guts to say stuff like that now!

yeah, it was pretty good, but it was simply merged with the rest of the goodbye threads – and the whole lot was closed and moved to ‘rant’ – I reckon Lissa feels she can do without public critisism. *shrug*

You know what? It really bothers me now that Lissa didn’t say anything at all. I mean, yeah, in the public forum she said “I’ll miss you” or whatever to 1 or 2 of us, but I have no doubt that that was an act. How could she say nothing? Last time I left she sent me a PM saying that she was sorry I was leaving and I was always welcome back, etc etc.. Now her primary moderators have left and she says nothing? And randomly puts them in miserable users? Way to be grateful.

Yeah, Allie wrote an aplogy thread.. I was really surprized with that. But I hate that you guys are in the miserable users group.. Are you sure? It’s not like you guys are going to go back and cause trouble or anything. Is it all of you?

LEIA is really boring now lol.

What was her apology thread?

I wouldn’t know if I was in M.U. because I’m not logged in, heh

Lissa did say she appreciated what I did in the PM she sent me immediately before demoting me (I posted it somewhere up there ), but it didn’t fit with her actions. I don’t think she really meant what she said about appreciating anyone. if she did, she wouldn’t have said the nasty things she did in the private forum and to us individually.

and I don’t seem to be in the miserable users group. I didn’t do a whole lot there, but I didn’t get any errors at all or anything.

heh, I just thought of something evil. if we really want to piss her off, we can have pixiegrrl cause trouble on the forum (assuming she hasn’t changed the password, which is possible) she’ll obviously know which of us it is, but if she does something to really piss us off (even more), it’s a possibility

Allie wrote an apology thread? Where??
I don’t see what good it would do to use Pixiegrrl – it would simply get deleted and she’d hate us even more.
Oh well.
I totally agree with what you’re saying about her actions and the nice things she did say (which wasn’t very much to begin with) – and then the not-so-nice things that have been said giving mixed messages.
I also think she blocked me on AOL – which is fine, before last week I had not logged into AOL for months – and even with all of this, I only had ONE conversation with her that SHE initiated – I guess she really hates me – that’s up to her, really. I think it’s great that so many of the more active members found us at SMW though, and I’m glad you lot are active there.
What happened to PB&J, anyway? Does he know where we are?

b.t.w., guys, I’ve been trying to add some of you on AOL – the non MSN users, that is, I much prefer MSN.
Anyway, if anyone wants to add me, it’s mariannehuizer@hotmail.com on MSN and nicnkame dutchpaint on AOL.

no she didn’t bring up the 20k, that last paragraph was my thoughts.

I didn’t think the apology was just one. She apologized for the mess but i didn’t take it as her admitting to any fault but more of a “i’m making adjustments and someone got pissed and it all spiraled”.

i’m waiting for a pm, really i am.

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Ok, today is probably a very good day to do this.

I really wanted to apologize for the whole mess that happened a few days ago. I was just kind of sweeping up backstage and someone turned the spotlight on me (sheila) and wow, everything just spiraled out of control.

I don’t intend to be an admin again , but I will probably, like always, be around to install things and fix things

Thanks for your support of Lissa, thanks for deciding to stay, she really does appreciate the hours and hours you spend helping on the forum.

And kittycat, thanks for staying out of the drama.

Sooo… she thanks you and Karen and Kittycat for staying, and for the time you spend there, and she thanks Kittycat for staying out of it, she blames Lissa for starting all this – and that’s basically it….

What pm are you waiting for?

I meant to say she blames Sheila for starting all this, not Lissa obviously.

*off topic* will we reach 500 comments on this one you reckon?

My msn is karen3_(AT)hotmail.com

I don’t know if I mentioned this, but a while ago I PMed Allie and apologized for a few specific things I said, while still making sure she realized that I still think she was wrong. She PMed me back and said it was ok, and said something like “I apologize too, things got out of control”

She thinks that what happened wasn’t her fault, which is bull. But if that’s actually what she thinks, she’s obviously never going to take the blame. Oh well.

i agree with karen on this one.

i’m waiting for the pm that says she doesn’t need me anymore. The thing is she never has specifically thanked anyone, not that i really saw. That kinda pisses me off because after all the hours that people have put in and all she can muster is a “thank you for everything” ?

If she really meant whatever apology she wrote, she would have publicized it. Saying “I’m sorry” in a private forum that anyone who WANTS/DESERVES an apology is unable to access is complete bull.

I would say that I’m sorry I spent so much of my time there, but I actually enjoyed it for those four years.

Quote from chat

Lil Sarah and I will be headed to Pennsylvania today for my Grandma’s funeral. I’m really hoping that it doesn’t snow since I really don’t know how to drive in snow, being from Florida and all.

We’ll see you in a few days, [b]I might be able to pop in once or twice.[/b]

OH please do!

well the bold didn’t work

lol
They don’t post at all for like 6 months at a time and suddenly they think the forum is going to fall to pieces with them gone for a few days? Actually it might, without them posting I can’t see there being very much activity

you know allie uses the private forum to give messages to lissa. What, she can’t pm like the rest of us?

she told them they got to whereever they were going. I’m not even paying attention.

the forum might fall apart, without allie starting these interesting threads, like ‘what pet do you have’ etc …

meh he he, i know it’s immature but it does amuse me that Dan’s birthday thread on our forum has more posts than his one on LEIA (started by Lissa, erm…does she really not ‘get’ what just happened or is she just playing the ‘nicey nice in public’ card here?)

Well there’s a good chunk of people not around @ LEIA to respond, including those that would have actually started the thread

And I’m sure she’s playing the “let’s play nice and pretend nothing has happened” card *rolls eyes*

Oh yeah, she’s just showing her nice face to the public – I hate that actually.

please don’t let lindsay in here

*begs*

uh you guys aren’t planning on it are you?

Nah don’t worry about it, no one other than mods can come in here!

I browsed the LEIA forum and saw that SSPrincess has been in today and yesterday.
It must have been so weird for her!
Didn’t she ask any questions?
When is Cherchez coming back again?

She hasn’t said much other than we were a few mods short.

I’d liked to be part of this conversation here from whom i didn’t knew it was here the week before christmas. Starlet emailed me on a email adres i don’t use that often so it took me a few days to discover it. I also had a password problem but today i managed to log in finally =]

I’ve read all 500 replies to this entry today (and that took ALOT of time lol) but i didn’t had much more to do then install a fresh Gentoo linux installation for testing purposes. i’d still like to react on some replies though.

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karen:
I’m going to be honest.. Sphere’s leaving thread was a little immature..
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You are right, i was pretty rude in my last post. Thats due that i didn’t had sad feelings but only angry feelings towards Allie since it was just a few minutes ago that i was 100% sure that Allie didn’t gave a shit about us (the journal entry was one of the most disturbing things). I’ve thought long about this post and if i could turn time back i’d made a better one with less rudeless at least not based on speculations. I’ve even thought to pm Allie to excuse myself but i finally didn’t. I do apologised to Lissa for that post and some on the chat forum as also i apologised in the public forum “apologise thread” started by sophie.

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Marianne:
I think Allie signed in as Lydia today to remove Sphere’s link to that screenshot where he could prove that Lissa had removed an entry from Allie’s journal
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I didn’t had a screenshot of it, i just copied what was on it. Lissa editted it and i thought it was Allie. Because i thought it was Allie i went mad because i thought she wanted to fool me and acusing me of lies because it wasn’t any more on the journal a few minutes later.

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i dont know who said this:
Is she having a pop at you again there Dan? (or whoever it is that’s looked up their info and whatnot) If so *big eye roll* why can’t she fucking quit it
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That reaction in the “Lissa Internet Superstar” thread from Allie about scary people i just read today. And it was 100% sure aimed at me. Her last name (that was fake) i indeed got from whois, and it took me 3 seconds to find that out. (its pretty usual for me to whois domains because i’m a little bit in that business)
Later in the public chat Lissa said something about that i stalked her or something while i accused her of spying. With spying i mean Allie was (for us) never here but she exactly knews when mods left and came back and who didn’t liked the forum etc. (although most of it was bullshit). It looked like she knowed 100 times more about us then we did about her.

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Allie:
Tell me about it. Especially the ones that actually go way out of their way to find out personal infomation about you Very very creepy!
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See reaction above
I actually enjoyed today reading this that she’s scared about me.
She thinks i’m a big creep but that can’t keep me awake

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ould be about lots of things – like Sphere letting them know he knows Allie’s real name, and that he knows their surname to be ‘Singer’ (which is false – so glad I never told him Lissa’s real first name or her family name). What I don’t quite understand is why Sphere keeps helping out at the forum, both the Flash forum and the Dutch part – and I’m a little surprised he was not banned or at least put in the miserable users group,
as I feel the things he said were more extreme than anything anyone else said…
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You are saying now that Lissa isn’t her real first name?
I might have to apologize for using her mom’s real first name to you
I still kept posting sometimes because i feel a little bit sorry for the people that really needed help. At that time and even since today i didn’t had anything against Lissa. I thought she was the one being in the middle of a fight between us and her mom and that she of course had trouble choosing sides. I could respect that.
But after reading those 500 replies my opinion about her has changed since she appeared to be a pretty bitch. I think i also stop posting but i’m not afraid of using my username to log in since i never said i would leave the forum. The forum has changed pretty much and i haven’t post much since the drama.

I might sometimes lurk in but LEIA is pretty much history for me.
its done

Randomly, Lissa isn’t her real name, it’s just a nickname. Her name’s Alyssa. But seriously, when you’re 11 years old on the intenet it makes sense not to use your real name.

I assumed you had the password all along, I didn’t realise you never posted – I wondered why you didn’t say anything when your name was being mentioned though.

As for you posting on the forum, it’s really up to you – it’s just that – well your anger seemed to show and if I feel that way, I tend to stay away.

I’m far from angy with Lissa or even Allie now, I think they handled things badly and Allie is a bitch – but my anger doesn’t linger – even so, I just don’t want to help out on the forum – if Allie thought she didn’t need any of us, let her try and answer the Flash questions and deal with the Dutch forum, that’s kind of my motto. But really, that’s what I would do – if you do things differently, that’s entirely up to you, not for any of us to decide.
I do hear you on wanting to help people – I kind of do, too, I always liked when I was able to help them, but when I help them I also help Lissa and Allie making their forum more popular and I feel like I don’t get anything in return – it seems that Lissa feels as if she was doing us a favour by allowing us to be mods, whereas I feel that we were doing her a favour. For me that’s just reason enough not to go there any more – but don’t let that stop you, if you still enjoy going there, please do.

I don’t understand why you say; ‘I actually enjoyed today reading this that she’s scared about me.’
Why does making someone scared make you feel good? I agree that Allie has treated us like shit, but to scare her – I dunno. That sounds a little creepy to me, to be honest. That’s just my two cents worth…

Oh well i didn’t mean much with that actually, just forget it i’m not a weird psycho that will stalk people or something, even if they would lived next to me they wouldn’t have to be afraid for me.

I’m not stopping posting there because you were wondering it.
It is that i only had a problem with Allie and now after reading how Lissa treats Dan and how she thanked Starlet and how she put everyone that was “annoying” in the misserable users mod, i think the way i see Lissa has also changed. I’ve never expected she would do that.

What i still don’t understand is the way Dan quit. Its very hard to read the comments from the blog, especailly if that are more then 470. So Lissa send Dan a PM were she says that its a good idea to stop. And without waiting for a reacting of Dan she demoted him.
is that correct? Thats pretty rude!

^ Pretty much.. Lissa asked him to step down and before he replied, she had demoted him. So I guess it wasn’t really a request at all.

Bye bye entry, next time I blog it’ll be pushed off the main page!

that’s too bad hehe.
This entry wrote history!

It’ll still be at: http://www.swaymyway.com/?p=93

Just not on the main page any more!

sorry to post this here, but I don’t want to risk it on the forum, in case it’s ever accidentally left open.
I wonder if LindsAy will be made a mod.
I remember a lot of discussion in the mods section about her, especially her being unfriendly and argumentative etc.
So if the forum is meant to be a friendlier place, she is not the most logical choice.
I also wonder, IF she’s made a mod, will Lissa prune the mods forum first, so she won’t read the gossip about herself, or will Lissa only prune the things SHE said about Lindsay (assuming she took part in that – I can’t go there to check since I don’t have access).
Do you guys think she’ll be promoted?

No I don’t. She’s ones of the meanest members on there, she has got into loads of ‘fights’ and often is sarcy with the n00bs, if she does get asked then Lissa is a total hypocrite!

I don’t expect Karen or Rosey to ‘spy’ for us but I am hoping they will let us know if the forum is pruned before any new people are let in >

That’s pretty much how I feel too.
So either she will be asked and Lissa is a hypocrite, or she won’t, while she is expecting to be asked – and she’ll be disappointed…
Once the SS groovy edition is over and I post my last post in there, would it look silly to ask Lissa to remove my threads from the over 21 forum?
Those things are really personal and I don’t want any more noobs to go in there and read up on my sexuality etc.
I wish Lissa had removed them already – she might have done, there’s no way for us to find out.

Sorry for the double post, but what about Chris, do you think he’d accept if Lissa asked him, do you think she will ask him? I think he’s pretty cool, if I was still a mod there I sure would not mind having him on the team.

Yeah he’s not as ‘mean’ as MB, but I also think he can be mean often…just like us lot used to be, I wouldn’t be as suprised if he gets asked but still. Frankly I think whoever gets asked will say yes, as much as they might be ‘on our side’ or whatever to our faces, I think everyone would snap it up in a second if asked!

I don’t think Lissa will prune the mod section if MB gets a mod.
in the GP section there is also a thread where someone asked of kier could be groovy and they also referred to the deleted rant thread about him. So he knows that we have talked about him in ‘semi public’ now he has access to GP

I know – it’s almost as if she’s done that on purpose, perhaps to prove her point that we were mean – only it was not so much us talking in that thread…

ok i saved a few threads while i was still in there. Nothing majorly happening but she is gonna have to prune a lot quit a bit.